Why is asperger's such a negative thing
There are so many personality disorders now. It seems like there can be no such thing as a mentally healthy human being. Asperger's syndrome doesn't have to be seen as an issue that needs to be corrected in order to live a healthy life. It's strange, but I feel most content when I'm alone and depressed. It's comforting. What's wrong with seeing the negative side of things before the positive. Everyone is different. Why do humans have to find a cure everything. Sorry to spew, but it has just been bothering me. Does anyone else here think about this?
Humans ( or at least NT's) are naturally wired to dislike those who are different from them. They cannot comprehend something that is as different from the norm as autism or Asperger's, so they view it as defective. Since body language is a very important factor in the opinion of a person for NT's, the different body language is a huge difference in the eyes of an NT, something that they think must be a defect.
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I have noticed instant hostility from some NTs. I know it is not personal, it is someway I am walking or holding my body that sends the signal to them and they react to it like a magnet reacts to iron. I sat with NTs and said something, I don't know. . anything I suppose, and get called out of line, or have them recoil (yes, recoil) in horror from something I in ignorance said. The list goes on and on. Especially because I am very loquatious so they are lulled into some sense of security with my 'normalacy' and then. . pow! they get it right between the eyes (the 'it' being how ever my autism reveals it'sself to them)
They really can't help it, and they really can't understand what goes on inside of us. They just don't have the capability.
That's why it's so much fun to watch once you take your hurting ego/heart out of the mix.
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You will find Nt's will not take to you as well as AS people will, with some exceptions, 2 of my 3 best friends are NT, with the other one being an Aspie. however it seems all NT seem to dislike or are uncomfortable around those who are different. Just because are see things differently and we act much different, and it's not what NT's come to expect, which is sad, as they need to achknoledge us and understand us, one issue with AS is the lack of awareness from NT's, they expect everything to be like them. However as much as they wish to find a so called 'cure' for us. I say you need to stand tall, you are not diseased, and you may feel that AS has it's issues, when i was first diagnosed at 13, i first saw AS as a big problem, however 5 years later, i am more at ease with it asi have discovered more about it, thanks to books, Wikipedia and WP, you are a unique person
you have a unique viewpoint which only we can understand, people should not expect you to change, you should expect them to get used to you, as you have done nothing wrong, and it's only the NT's fault if they can't understand, im not being hostile to NT's as i have met some really nice ones who want to give others a good chance. But you have a very interesting view of the wordl, and we should nto expect you to change, you are unique, and it's cool
believe me, i value the fact that AS gives me independance, i don't require to stay by the crowd, i don't need to rely on big groups of people, i can be conent and manage by myself, and you can to.
just hold your head up high and say you are different, and proud of it, and besides, do you want to be like everyone else?
I hope that helps
regards and best wishes
Chris
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Honestly? I haven't noticed any real positive or negative general feelings about me from NTs where I am (that is, I'm not universally liked or disliked). I have, however, noticed some serious anti-NT prejudice from Aspies and auties on this forum. Just saying.
I don't regard my AS as negative or positive. I try not to use it as an excuse for anything; outside of this forum, very, very few people know I have a diagnosis. It's part of my personality, and helps me to pinpoint what I need to work on with regards to dealing with others. It gives me some strengths and weaknesses. Beyond that? Doesn't matter. And as a note, I regard myself as a very mentally healthy person most of the time. I certainly don't regard my AS as a mental illness or something to be "corrected," as there are many positive aspects as well as negative. There are negative aspects to being NT as well. Nothing is perfect.
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I'm trying to say personality traits in general are being classified into medical conditions. I don't think asperger's syndrome is a mental illness and I don't hold hostility towards people who don't have it. I find it annoying that there is needs to be psychological treatment for personality traits that seem a little out of the ordinary, whatever that means. I meant that nearly everyone (including those who don't have asperger's) can be diagnosed with a psychological disorder because there are so many. I'm sorry if someone got the wrong interperatation, my intention wasn't to insult anyone.
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Who says people are trying to fix it? Or treat it, for that matter. As I said, I don't consider myself to be mentally ill, and neither does my family. I haven't undergone psychological treatment since I managed to get round my depression, and in fact I stopped NEEDING to be toted along to psychiatrists and psychologists once I got my diagnosis, as that enabled my mother to understand why I freaked out in certain situations, hated change, etc. etc. and helped her to help me work round it. Personally, I also think it's nice to know that I'm not the only one who goes into overload in football stadiums or finds perfume absolutely vile.
So... yeah, I rather like my diagnosis, thanks ever so much.
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AS has it's good and bad aspects.... the good... most of the negative aspects of AS stem from hypersensitivity, and other characteristics that are not exactly universal in the AS population. Most of it revolves different ways in how their mind processes data, so you have social data processing "deficiencies" (or should I say enlightenments?) and emotional processing.
NT's for the most part are driven by their instincts, not all of them, but most of them are deeply prejudiced and non-thinking robots, slaves to their baser automatic thought processes that the are scarcely aware of. They just get evolutionarily programmed feelings which influence their thoughts and behaviours... people with AS on the whole tend to be more level-headed, rational and tolerant as long as you dont press their sensitivity weaknesses.... their weaknesses stem from sensitivity of their nervous system, the can get easily annoyed or overstressed and partly from a barbaric society. All humans on the whole in my estimation are little more then glorified bacteria running ancient survival programs that are not designed for our modern technological world, they are very petty and tribalistic, its small wonder the world is filled with war and poverty and yet mankind has had the gift of a large brain and ability to control his own behaviour and curtail his own feral instincts for thousands of years. Which leads one to only one conclusion: People are barbaric, and their lives are too short to really change much of anything because so much time is spent on their animal passions or simply surviving they never achieve total self-mastery, like many smaller groups of humanity have over human history. They are for the most part, overgrown, half-animal children, quite literally... no one on earth is an "adult", if there were real, true, responsible adults, there would be no war or poverty.
The good:
-Not usually as barbaric as NT's
-obesessive (driven, determined, focused, single minded)
-Original, creative, Independent in terms of thought
-Obsessive Thinker, obessively thinking and refining ones thoughts take one further along many different paths then most NT's, I'd venture to guess that this trait is not exclusively AS but obsessive thinkers tend to do more then people who spread their mind to
thin between to many different things.
-Repetitive... and by repetitive, I do not mean simple repetition... I notice many Aspergers repeat themselves only because they are going through a thought refining process, they might say the same thing many times but they usually always are adding new elements to the core concept, its like they are stitching together networks of original thoughts around core ideas that help them think. How their minds work for some is like super-thought-refineries, where they will go over what seems to an NT like an idea that has been "beaten like a dead horse" but to an AS person they can see beyond the blindness of most NT's and hammer away at the depth and complexity beneath the surface.
The bad:
-Sometimes more barbaric then NT's usually dependent on the genetic behavioral heritage
-Intolerant of change of routine
-Sometimes easily manipulated by other people without realizing it due to naive egocentricity (unable to model other peoples thoughts without referencing their own to use as a model to help them understand)
-Easily annoyed
-Can become half-consciously locked in a perfectionistic mode of thinking for certain things
-obessive thinker
-Harder to understand others due to unique form of Egocentricity
-Repetitive, many people with AS I find have a rough time talking about anything other then the current focus of their interests, which leads others to believe they are boring, when really an AS persons interest are just deeper and more intense, they see things other people don't, but not always.
I noticed that as an Aspie, I can get along very well with other Aspies. I once even persuaded a Yank-hating foreigner that I'm not fat and stupid (She has AS like I.).
I'm fine with NT's. I simply don't bring up that I'm autistic very often. I get two basic reactions whenever I tell them that I'm an Aspie from them:
1. O RLY?
2. WTF is an Aspie?
There is occasionally a person I hate with so much of a burning passion. I got the last two out of my Descartes-ian universe. Almost all the time, those people don't get along with anyone.
Strange thing is, I get along very well with people. I just be the best person I can be. I like bringing up autism, because I can give it a damn good reputation.
I dont really see aspergers as a negative thing either. It's just part of who I am. None of my friends have aspergers and they are very accepting of me. to most people i don't seem autistic and most people i know don't even know what autism is. People just need to stop being ignorant and realize that there is no cure for individuality.
Being unwillingly, genetically stripped of all instinctual understanding of human to human interaction (quite important in this social world) is not individuality. In fact, it makes us the same as every person with AS out there (though with different degrees of difficulties, of course).
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I don't see AS as positive or negative, It's just who I am and I like it that way. I'm against finding a "cure" for autism, we have an entire subculture just like deaf people and people who like anime (otaku)
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AS is just one of those things that shows it's ugly face more than it's good face.
Ugly- many are untolerant, some mock openly, others treat Aspies like ret*ds, etc.
Good- obsessive, may be good at cocktail parties (The only good cocktail party is one that has little weenies), bright, etc.
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