Totalitarian memorabilia why some are banned and other not?

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pawelk1986
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10 Oct 2014, 12:01 pm

I just wonder why people are ok when kid or adult, wear T-shirt with "Hammer and Sickle" or "Che Guevara" well known communist murderer, so maybe people should wear t-shirt with "Heinrich Himmler" :D That of course was joke i wonder why people are a ok with Communist symbols but if someone wear nazi symbols it's on front page news?


new Polish Constitution from 1997 Article 13 "Political parties and other organizations whose programmes are based upon totalitarian methods and the modes of activity of nazism, fascism and communism, as well as those whose programmes or activities sanction racial or national hatred, the application of violence for the purpose of obtaining power or to influence the State policy, or provide for the secrecy of their own structure or membership, shall be prohibited.


I not support comment and even more nazi, because they both ware equally evil bastards, but people still think communist is ok but not nazi, even if the both are undemocratic totalitarian regimes?



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10 Oct 2014, 12:18 pm

I think it likely comes down to the fact that Poland experienced the worst of both ideologies; whereas the United States, as much distaste as we had for communism, were once allied with the Soviet Union. The Nazis were never once part of the "good guys" in our cultural history.



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10 Oct 2014, 12:21 pm

I propose several reasons:

  1. Ignorance. A lot of people are unfamiliar with incidents like the Holodomor and The Great Leap Forward, and are thus unaware of the fact that Communism is directly responsible for a lot more deaths than Nazism.
  2. Sympathy. Some people *like* Communism so much that they deliberately try to explain away its horrors and failures.
  3. Both (1) and (2).



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10 Oct 2014, 2:38 pm

I have a t shirt with a hammer and sickle on it, and i have a bag and pencil case with the same symbol painted on it. i think i have the same right to express my views as someone else. communism itself is not evil and so should be viewed in that way. my history teacher is Hungarian an her family was affected by communism, and she is not at all affected by my views, in fact, she encourages me. i don't see anything wrong with it.


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10 Oct 2014, 2:47 pm

RedStar98 wrote:
I have a t shirt with a hammer and sickle on it, and i have a bag and pencil case with the same symbol painted on it.


Just the sort of commodified decadence that Lenin and Guevara'd have shot you for, and Marx would have written a door-stopping tome over.



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10 Oct 2014, 2:56 pm

In the U.S., no memorabilia are banned, mainly due to the strong freedom of expression guaranteed in the 1st amendment. Of course, engaging in seditious conspiracy (e.g. a group trying to overthrow the government) is prohibited by federal law.


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