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06 Mar 2007, 11:06 pm

The term libertarianism usually refers to a political philosophy maintaining that every person is the absolute owner of their own life and should be free to do whatever they wish with their person or property, as long as they allow others the same liberty. Anotherwards you're free to do whatever you want with yourself and your property as long as you dont violate other people's rights.

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06 Mar 2007, 11:29 pm

Libertarians do not exist. Librarians do though. When I grow up I want to be a librarian.

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06 Mar 2007, 11:37 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:

Libertarians do not exist. Librarians do though. When I grow up I want to be a librarian.

I exist, I don't know what you're talking about.

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06 Mar 2007, 11:40 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:

Libertarians do not exist.

Says you ^^
I think the federal government needs to stop wasting tax payer dollars on government special interest projects, banning drugs and certain guns (its people's constitutional RIGHT to smoke pot and have assault weapons), wasting tax payer dollars on overseas conflicts that have NOTHING to do with US interests, stop interfering in the affairs of people by trying to control how they live their lives, and the government needs to let schools and pretty much everyother BUSINESS be privately owned (public schools are such crap I dont know where to start).

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06 Mar 2007, 11:58 pm

I am joking! :wink: I read a relatively significant amount of libertarian thought.

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07 Mar 2007, 12:04 am

:cry:

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07 Mar 2007, 12:06 am

I really don't like Libertarians. The way they deal with politics makes me feel a bit as if they want Social Darwinism.

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07 Mar 2007, 12:25 am

it really depends but on most issues, i favor the libertarian approach.

libertarian to liberal depending on what the issue is.

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07 Mar 2007, 12:26 am

Flagg wrote:

I really don't like Libertarians. The way they deal with politics makes me feel a bit as if they want Social Darwinism.

And they would argue that the way that other groups deal with politics makes them feel as if those other groups want slavery and oppression and ultimately fear freedom. The point to take home is one of ideological differences between intelligent individuals and even a fundamental difference in the definition of freedom as I brought up in my thread on the view of rights. To the libertarian all rights stem from self-ownership, this in turn makes all positive rights a variant of slavery, which in turn leads to a clash in views in which the libertarian is shocked at the "state-worship" of his opponents and the amount to which they would sell away freedom, while the non-libertarian is shocked at how the libertarian would let some evils stand and how much he would deny the government its important tools to do good. Really I suppose the point on social darwinism really depends on which libertarians though, Ayn Rand is not every libertarian.

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07 Mar 2007, 12:27 am

Corvus wrote:

:cry:

Why the sadness??? I do not get this random emoticon.

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07 Mar 2007, 12:27 am

If every libertarian was like Ayn Rand I'd commit suicide.

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07 Mar 2007, 12:28 am

Flagg wrote:

I really don't like Libertarians. The way they deal with politics makes me feel a bit as if they want Social Darwinism.

They want people to be free to do what they want, and have their rights protected just as long as they dont violate other people's rights. Socialism like we see in America today is the unlaw spending of taxpayers money on special interest projects such as public schools, roads, utilities, programs such as welfare, etc. Whether the taxpayers want to pay for something they may or may not actually be using is unconstitutional. So we as of now are not really a free society.

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07 Mar 2007, 12:31 am

Santa_Claus wrote:

Flagg wrote:

I really don't like Libertarians. The way they deal with politics makes me feel a bit as if they want Social Darwinism.

Things like roads and schools are nessesary for the survival of society as a whole. If someone doesn't have the cash to go get a private education are you saying you want them to have no chance in life? Do you like the idea of having roads so poorly maintained you go off-roading every time you pull out the garage?

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07 Mar 2007, 12:32 am

Flagg wrote:

If every libertarian was like Ayn Rand I'd commit suicide.

Right, I think that there would be significantly less support. Milton Friedman and Friedrich Hayek both argued for a level of welfare in order to help the poor. The questions ultimately come down to freedom and how can we effectively get a society to work. Libertarians point at workings of markets and imperfections of governments and their opponents point at failures of markets and successes of governments and both have their logic and observations.

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07 Mar 2007, 12:35 am

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I think this really comes down to a question on extremity of position. Some libertarians support having more toll-roads and a voucher system as they see the market as the ideal way of dealing with the informational problems inherent with serving the public good in certain areas, others are downright anarcho-capitalist and think that by privatizing everything that things will work better for everyone because of the ability of individuals to organize themselves for the greatest goods and directly deal with costs. Anarcho-capitalism is not something I would really believe in though, but there are intelligent people who argue for such a system.

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07 Mar 2007, 12:35 am

I can see some cutbacks (Military, Prison System, Law Enforcement) but we need Schools, Hospitals, Power Plants and Roads to function as a society. It's only fair everyone float the bill for these basic services.

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