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14 Nov 2014, 5:48 pm

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With some 60% in the workforce, they would not settle for $1200 a month.

Other programs, welfare, SSI, Unemployment, food stamps, are already paying out the same money, with a very high office cost.


Okay, you're just plain wrong about this...

TANF (welfare) is about $50 billion/year.

SSI is about another $50 billion/year.

Food stamps is about $80 billion/year.

So, were talking LESS than $200 billion/year for welfare spending.... Also, you won't get more than about 5% saving from administration.

After further thought, I'm not going to consider OASDI or unemployment because they're social insurance, NOT WELFARE, and they aren't funded by general taxes...

If we ever did enact a minimum income, we could do away with unemployment, but that money should just go the general OASDI fund.

As for the rest of your comments, I don't disagree with a lot of what you say...

I'd say we should start with a base income of $10,000.00 for everyone over age 18. The trick is how and when to begin phasing it out...

I say there should be a gradual reduction in money starting at $20,000.00 level (200% of poverty) and totally gone at $40,000.00 (400% poverty).

The trick is reducing the payments without discouraging work or discouraging employers from paying incentive/merit pay. Also, the reduction scheme would have to be politically viable. That would probably be the hardest part....

You could probably come up with a plan that would cost $500-$600 billion per year. That would also, undoubtedly, stimulate the economy and make things better for everyone.

However we'd also need to eliminate the EITC and raise taxes on the upper 50% and *GASP* the holy job creators who reside in the top 10%....

THAT, I'm afraid, will NEVER happen.


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14 Nov 2014, 6:00 pm

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Funny part is it is a logical argument....if people are desperate they will do what they need to in order to survive. If welfare is cut, nothing effective is put in its place then what is likely to be the logical outcome. That the poor will just lay down and die? Simply not going to happen. So yeah logically it makes sense for a society to provide for its population(even the poor) otherwise said population is very likely to turn on the society...duh.

the romans were smart enough to see the necessity of bread and circuses, but americans don't seem to be getting the picture. yet.


Maybe the incumbent Roman Foreign Minister should send a delegation to tell us all about the efficacy of such initiatives. Oh, wait...


Yeah... What they really needed was effective land reform. Bread and circuses was cheaper but it only prolonged the inevitable...

Roman history is a GREAT example of the corrosive effects of wealth inequality.


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15 Nov 2014, 7:43 am

The plan does need to be pushed as something that will increase the economy, as adding money at the bottom will. All of the middle, working people, small business, will see customers with money, and the local governments sales tax.

On the issue of fairness, giving money to the poor sold as investment, a more stable educated workforce, that could still take a minium wage job and keep the universal income. Funding for education, student loans are a bomb waiting to go off, and all small business employers want better workers. It is also likely to reduce crime, as benefits could be cut off for convictions, jail time, so criminals would have something to lose. Raising the Minium Wage comes out of the pocket of small business, a Universal Income does not. Keep wages low to offset costs, then bring in new business customers, and demand will drive up wages, and everyone will be happy.

The consumer economy is 70% of national income, and 90% of the workforce.

Major Corporations are 30% and 10%.

Those sitting on Capital and charging rent on money hardly hire anyone, and suck the life out of the economy, as more and more vanishes into their bank accounts. They are less of job creators than the poor, who keep the welfare system running.

All Workers, Small Business and Corporations pay about the same tax rate, so the votes are there to abolish Capital Gains, Carried Interest, Unrepatrioted Profits, and tax all income at the same rate. The same for Social Security, all personal income taxed the same. The people gaming the system, putting the burden on everyone else, are the 1%. Faced with a landslide of votes, Congress will go with the majority, or be replaced.

Nothing has the power of an idea who's time has come.

Congress is favored by 13%, with equal percents calling for throwing them all out, hanging, drawn and quartered, and burning at the stake.

They all pander to the poor during elections, and a Universal Income will bring out all the poor to vote.

The majority, the middle, workers, small business will see that a lot of government can be abolished, crime reduced, more money in their neighborhoods, more local taxes, and a cut in income taxes across the board. They also have children they pay to go to school, who then move back home. This reduces their education costs, and prevents boomarang children moving back in with no income.

There is the looming problem of Social Security, not enough workers to support the payouts.

People do vote their retirement, this assures that Social Security will remain funded.

I think it could be replaced by a Universal Income if the payments were a bit higher.

If a Universal Income leads to economic growth, higher payments will lead to more.

We had the bailouts, to recapitalize the banks and brokers, QE, and the costs go on.

This is the Main Street Recapitalization Program, Bootstrap Economics.

For some it will be survival, for others a new car. Home ownership will go up.

The poor will get a foothold in the American Dream, the money will float upward into the middle.

Who has the most to gain? Not the poor, they will still be on the edge of poverty, but Warren Buffet who owns a huge chunk of working American Business will reap the rewards, has already supported most of the program, and people trust him. He also has the most to lose if American burns.

I do distrust government, as we all should. Bill Gates and a direct deposit system could run this, it is not big as custom software goes.

Small banks, Credit Unions, would be the place to send the money. Deposits are their life blood. This expands local credit for the middle.

Drought is spreading, there is a line between grain and grazing that is moving the wrong way. Buying up failing grain land, like a whole County, fencing it for buffalo, a hundred year fence, cultivate, feed, water, plant, and let it grow. Pipe water from the rivers, make lakes, replenish the ground water, it will spread water, windbrake, and rainfall beyond the fence. Make it off limits for a hundred years, except the buffalo and deer hunts. People will pay $5,000 to shoot an Elk. This can become profitable.

It will change things, people will complain, but all along the fence line property values will go up. New creeks will form in old beds. Migratory birds and butterflies will find it.

Texas has been restoring grassland that was turned to brush and near desert by cattle. It costs as much as the land, takes five years, then a grass sod is self supporting. Trees take forty years, but the effect reaches far. It preserves moisture, is cooler, and attracts rain. You do have to keep cattle out.

This Country belongs to We The People. We can order the government to do things. Elections are about people who do not follow orders.

A plan that benefits the vast majority of Citizens cannot be stopped.

So vote Aspie Economics, A Differance in Thought and Perception, life can get better.



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15 Nov 2014, 11:34 am

Ah, the audacity of hope and the VALUE OF THINKING and DOING DIFFERENT.

First, here's a few quotes for reference:

http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/17 ... ican-dream

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?For half of the world's population, roughly three billion people around the world living on less than two dollars a day, an election is at best a means, not an end; a starting point, not deliverance. These people are looking less for an "electocracy" than for the basic elements that for most of us define a decent life--food, shelter, electricity, basic health care, education for their children, and the ability to make their way through life without having to endure corruption, violence, or arbitrary power.?

- President Obama, from the 'Audacity of Hope'


https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/924-he ... rebels-the

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?Here's to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They're not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing you can't do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.?

-Steve Jobs


http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quote ... 33991.html
http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/369-a-h ... ole-called

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"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

?A human being is a part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feeling as something separated from the rest, a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.?

-Albert Einstein


THESE are really smart guys, no doubt about it, but the thing that truly does set them apart is they REFUSE to run with the herd as Obama sits around with some friends smoking dope philosophizing about IDEAS AND eventually putting them into action.

And Steve Jobs, sitting around with a few friends in a field of dreams doing LSD suggesting he is going to change the world.

And then there is Einstein changing the landscape of physics forever, sticking out his tongue at those who run with the herd.

And then there is Inventor up there, a 60 something year old dude that makes things with his mind AND HANDS, and refuses to run with the herd or specialize in any one area of education.

The results are synergy of ideas that CAN MAKE NEW THINGS HAPPEN.

When George W. Bush was in his HAYDAY with an administration BENT on fear mongering to save the day for his re-election political hopes, was there any chance that an African American President would soon become president from a Pulpit of hope and charisma; no, not if one polled the general public but OBAMA REFUSED TO BELIEVE SUCH A THING, AND WELL WITH HIS HOPE..

Yes, the hope of one man and of course the people that got behind him, the status quo was changed for ever; an African American was elected to the highest office in the land.

And will a women become President now; likely yes, soon.

The demographic of voting may not have changed very much in mid-term off-President election years, but when it comes time for Presidential election time, the fuller herd of minority thinking and doing do come out to vote.

It's the bigger thing, and well, these days folks do like bigger things, no doubt.

Oh, and then there's health care reform, and what chance did that have of passing during a GW election, NONE.

BUT OBAMA AND his administration and democratic 'cronies' DID change that landscape of the status quo for more to come.

Yes, more to come, as we do have the 'GENERATIon SELFIE' RISING, A NEW WAY OF FREEDOM THINKING IN creating oneself as individual, and not just what others want to see.

What I'm saying here in much fewer words is CHANGE IS POSSIBLE, AND HISTORY NOW PROVES THAT TO BE TRUE IN THE US, RESOUNDINGLY SO, if not anything else for the FACT that we have an African American President, NOW.

Truly the conservative leaning thought is lead by patriarchal religious types that herd together and form opinions and exclude those that don't hold those opinions from the social group, which is an instinctual way of controlling humans.

But go to any Southern Baptist good 'ole timey' Gospel singing and the truth of what's left of that demographic is in gray hairs.

Yes, that's all one can see for rows and rows of pews, and I have the photographs to prove it, in my long time hobby as an Anthropologist as participant observer.

Meanwhile, the twenty-somethings are jumping up and down in dance halls taking selfies and creating themselves anew each day.

The World is changing and more than ever CHANGE IS POSSIBLE.

AND THE AUDACITY OF HOPE.

AND OH BY THE WAY, if anyone thinks this is just emotional gibberish, keep something in MIND if ONE can.

Emotions change the world.

Facts are just facts.

If there is any evidence of this in the world that is conclusive, it is Obama's existence in the White House.

He did it with emotion, not facts.

He did it with Hope, the audacity of hope, and people DO MOST DEFINITELY LOOK AT HIM AS AUDACIOUS, IN THE GRAY HAIRED ROWS OF SOUTHERN BAPTIST CHURCHES. :)

BUT THEY DON'T DANCE THE TRUE DANCE OF LIFE IN HEART, THINKING AND DOING THINGS DIFFERENT THAN THE HERD.

Inventor is a breath of fresh air to me, as the books (per example of John Robison's book) say Autistic people do things differently, but the PPR section of this Internet site, seems to prove that wrong, as part of a stereotype that doesn't seem to work here often, except for a few individuals like Inventor.


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15 Nov 2014, 12:26 pm

I'd like to be as hopeful as Inventor, but then I consider all the irrational opposition to the ACA and my heart sinks.


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15 Nov 2014, 12:49 pm

GoonSquad wrote:
I'd like to be as hopeful as Inventor, but then I consider all the irrational opposition to the ACA and my heart sinks.


To be clear I FEEL you are one of the different ones, per my comment above. :) In other words the critical aspect of it was in no way directed at you, or anyone else in particular in this conversation as I address OPS not people but in rare circumstances like I did above in lauding outstanding contributions that are truly NOVEL like what Inventor just did.

And I consider the opposition to be among the 'GRAY HAIRS' mostly.

True it's not going to happen today, BUT the 'gray haired' ones are not going to live forever.

I give it a decade or maybe two before real change does start to happen.

My plate is full of fortune so there is truly nothing in it for me, but for care for others who are less fortunate than I, as I have certainly walked in those shoes, before for many, many miles.

But that's just human empathy and what most people who are unadulterated by illusions OF complex language and culture do naturally possess, for their fellow man or woman.

And as both an anthropologist and scientist, myself, and yes poet too, kind of like Einstein, this is both a natural human being COMMON SENSE REALITY AND scientific fact, and not just A pipe dream of smoke.

But to be clear I'm not putting myself in his class. ;)

For those individuals who live without empathy IS A SERIOUS SOCIETAL ISSUE, and hell no, that's far from an issue just associated with the Autism spectrum as science does now show that empirically measured levels of empathy among college age adults has decreased around 30 percent in the last several decades as human beings become more like machines and less like humans.

This also relates to the scientifically evidenced phenomena that when a human being uses the mechanical cognition pathway of the brain the empathy part is repressed and the opposite is true too.

What happens IS as per what the computer labs and engineering departments warned against when I was in college in the late 70's' and early 80's on CAUTION signs that said don't forget you are human get out and social 'COGNATE' WITH OTHERS, IS JUST A SIMPLE COMMON SENSE AKA SOCIAL COGNITION HUMAN AND SCIENTIFIC FACT.

USE OR LOSE IT APPLIES.

THAT PART OF HUMAN NATURE DOES NOT CHANGE. Everything else 'normal' and or 'sane' per Einstein Wisdom DOES. :)

That's why I have hope, I understand what human nature truly CAN AND IS EVOLVED TO BE.

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION AND A MOVE AWAY FROM THE CENSORSHIP OF FREE SPEECH and ALL TYPES OF HUMAN EXPRESSION, IS TRULY A MOVE TOWARD FULL HUMAN FREEDOM AND SOCIAL COOPERATION AKA PEACE AND SACRED UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, among other flowery metaphors for TRUTH.

AND THAT IS WHERE THE REVOLUTION HAS ALREADY STARTED FOR FULLEST HUMAN FREEDOM.

It's yes, difficult to see from the DETAIL LEVEL OF LIFE, BUT CLEAR AS THE SUN ON A 7 MILE UNLIMITED visibility VISION DAY, FOR THOSE WHO SEE Tapestry as well as the DEVIL OF DETAILS. :)

And OBTW, another true fact and piece of trivia, that proves just how small the word can be.

My grandfather was A priest, yes a Catholic Priest at the vatican in the early 20th century.

Later he was a South African priest, and priest in the Gainesville area Parish and later in North Florida in Taylor county were he met my lovely AND VERY SPUNKY grandmother at age 17 and he at age 36, that was the spice that led him away from the Catholic church (EXCOMMUNICATION), as he didn't agree with their Labyrinth of Dogma, and eventually wrote a relatively well-known book to that effect in the theological circles of Catholicism and Protestantism at that time.

He also wrote a book called 'Behind the Dictators' exposing the Catholic Church Jesuits as the true progenitors of the Zioinist myth behind an illusion of a world controlling illuminati, just to keep more Catholics on board, if you will, per the Jesuit's role in that issue, according to the evidence he gathered as it were.

He later led and was editor of a publication and organization named Christ Missions in New York, New York, and was of the minority thinking group of folks who supported the political ideology of Socialism like Einstein at that time.

Well to make a long story shorter, he was acquainted with Einstein professionally in a philosophical way, and actually had Dinner with him on occasion to discuss the DEEPER THINGS IN LIFE.

SO WHILE I'm not in the same class, technically as Einstein, in the political realm, in the early to middle part of last Century my Grandfather was.

And no doubt both my Grandfather and Einstein were on that broader autism spectrum 'phenotypey' thing, TOGETHER at least, per genetics, as my sister is diagnosed with Asperger's in middle age, and no she only reads and take photos.

The last thing she would ever do is get on the Internet and write. But no, she's no turnip truck operator as she has a Masters Degree in Management Science and makes 70K a year, working with helicopter safety parts for a Navy Civilian Contractor, for over 30 years now.

Many people with Aspeger's syndrome are visual thinking hands on folks like Inventor, who somewhere along the LINE like me TOO move to words too, through neuroplastic and epigenetic change, which yes, is possible for almost anyone WHO MOVES OUT OF THE BOX.

In my case, THE neuroplastic and epigenetic GAME changer in life, was effective loss of the use of my eyes and ears for five years plus. A visual thinking mind was FORCED TO THINK VERBALLY TO NAVIGATE THE WORLD OR NOT SURVIVE.

SO I survived as most human beings that maintain any semblance of relative FREE WILL DO, yes DO, UNDER circumstances of great biological or environmental challenge, adaptation and CHANGE TO SURVIVE.

PAIN AND SUFFERING WAS THE GREATEST GIFT OF MY LIFE, overall of course.

I Didn't like it AT ALL when it was happening, on course, to what my life is NOW, literal HUMAN HEAVEN, COMING OUT OF LITERAL HUMAN HELL.

SO YEAH, I have good reason AND FEELING to have EMPATHY/compassion for others who ARE LESS FORTUNATE THAN I, AND I EFFECT AND AFFECT THAT both ONLINE IN WRITING, AND the REAL FLESH AND BLOOD DANCE OF HUMAN BEING LIFE in the REAL FLESH AND BLOOD WORLD THAT can be a dance of life for those who dance it and do not stay still. :)

Another quick note, my great grandfather, on the maternal side of my family camped out with Geronimo in the WILD in his 'claim to fame'. He was also a self-educated 'autodidact' bar passing lawyer on the American Indian related part of my family in both blood and human ties.

And Johnny Weismuller, the first famous movie playing TARZAN, saved my Spunky non-swimmer grandmother's life at Wakulla Springs in Leon County FL, as Johnny could swim really good and save folks from drowning.

Oh yeah, and my father guarded TED BUNDY as a deputy sheriff at the Leon County jail and he said he was the only person that made the hair stand up on his arms that he ever guarded as TED could change his appearance at will like a shape shifter from even short to tall.

Hmm, it would have been cool if he was my grandfather too, (Johnny, not TED) I guess, but that wouldn't be me, anyway. ;)

But that's YES..! ENOUGH about me.

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15 Nov 2014, 5:09 pm

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With some 60% in the workforce, they would not settle for $1200 a month.

Other programs, welfare, SSI, Unemployment, food stamps, are already paying out the same money, with a very high office cost.


SSi doesn't pay anywhere near $1200

cut it in about half.



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19 Nov 2014, 11:45 am

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the romans were smart enough to see the necessity of bread and circuses, but americans don't seem to be getting the picture. yet.


If it ever worked for the ancient Romans, it was only because their economy was heavily supported by slaves, which made up 30-40% of the population. America kinda dropped the ball 150 years ago on that one. ;)

but sooner than we all think, it will be robots doing the slaves' work and causing the same dynamic.


However, much of a "slaves" work is the kind of mundane work many other people are trying to get into to make sure they have some kind of financial basis to live.

Granted, if we would implement this universal basic income, many people wouldn't feel so hardpressed to find "any" job just to be able to keep on living.

The notion of robots in society is an interesting one, which might be better illustrated with a much misattributed quote, (who exactly said it remains a bit of a riddle to this day), but for sake of the topic and argument

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Henry Ford II: Walter, how are you going to get those robots to pay your union dues?

Walter Reuther: Henry, how are you going to get them to buy your cars?


Fact is, if we give people a bare minimum to live, they wont be able to afford all the merchandise that's being produced by these supposed "robot slaves", rendering them, as a whole a bit unneccesary. The current manufacturing output, to some extent is based upon the fact that people have enough disposable income to buy into these goods. These new workers would have no desire for these products as a whole.

It would also become an economic issue in the sense of who is going to pay for maintenance? The owner? In this case, the factory they're laboring, I presume, yet they don't even turn around as much because demand is less purely based on the notion of having a meager universal basic income that's just enough to live.

Not to mention that I can totally see governments taxing the s**t out of these mechanized workers, which would increase prices, because... as it is now, employees in this country pay a hefty income tax over their salary (and I doubt it's any different in other countries). Governments rely on this kind of income for their treasury.

Of course one can say "well, people are being paid and taxed right now, so what's the big fuss?". Well, these people are somewhat paying taxes over the fact that they keep the economy running, something they wont do when machines take over labor. UBI just means less money to spend, while, essentially, the manufacturers depend on a certain output and certain sales to keep their production going.

Lastly; and totally unrelated to my response on robots as workers;

I'm currently recipient of some form of government assistance; be that as it may, it's enough to feed myself, clothe myself. I live at my parents house so part of these expenses are covered, which also is negated over the fact that I receive less government support, just because I share a living situation with others. Basically, it's not enough to live, but too much to die.

Now; translate this to the notion of universal income. To me it would mean that rent prices for this income group would need to be subsidized; The moment people who for whatever reason have no job, but receive support, pay more than half their income on rent alone even in a situation as the current one (and not even the UBI proposal), something seems off with pricing by housing corporations. Should they make money? Yes, please, it makes up for good support and proper housing. But simply put, a months income is more than just paying for a roof over your head. If I break down the numbers if I would live on my own, based on my current income it would mean that I'd have at least 10 days left at the end of my money, so to speak. Not to mention the fact that not so long ago I read an article stating that every household should have at least X savings (which comes down to over 4 times my monthly income; if I would save it all up and not spend a dime on bills); savings like that would be for any set back any househould could experience. In short, the current situation which in many cases pays more than the allotment that would encompass UBI isn't even enough for people to live on. And I'm not even going to get into the issues that come with the resources one needs to get somewhere in life; afterall, even certified education isn't free (a fact which I run into more and more considering I'm past an age where I can get a government scholarship)

I've toyed with the idea of having no money at all and just let the government pay for all expenses instead, the issue however is that the notion of a "standardized" income wouldn't work. Even now I frequently run into issues when I have to pay for healthcare (therapists visits and such) which the government expects from me to get my s**t together so I'm not a danger or an expense to society and become a contributing member. Something like a UBI should also take in consideration free healthcare, subsidized rent and probably another handful of things that have spiraled out of control in the past few decades. UBI would thrive if we'd cut out about 5 layers of management as a start, which in turn creates more unemployment... and more "qualified" people not in the workforce because you just took out a significant part of jobs people should or could do (and I haven't even included the "robots as employees" part from above there).

I'm well in favor of UBI but it would also need to be complimented by all kinds of other aide; housing, healthcare....



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20 Nov 2014, 4:42 am

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I'd like to be as hopeful as Inventor, but then I consider all the irrational opposition to the ACA and my heart sinks.


Be of good cheer, for 87% hate Congress, a small club that panders to oil and big business.

Politics, help them define themselves as a small gang of bad guys.

Their path to election is to split the herd, sow fear. A military police and a prison industry was built on fear and demographics.

Black people commit almost all the crime!

The truth, about 70%, which results in 3,000,000 in prison.

Blacks are 14% of the population, some 42,000,000 so even counting the smarter ones who do not get caught, the new numbers are;

10% of the black underclass commit nearly 100% of the crime.

This centers on lack of economic choice, low education, Crack Vender was the only job open.

39,000,000 black people will tell you,that most crime is black on black.

As the closest demographic to the main problem, may I suggest they could do something about it?

From all black courts, juries and prisons, run by blacks, and community parol and Probation, this problem could be confined. Not having white people to blame, and being the main target of black on black crime, a more intense program would emerge.

They would not be soft on crime, because anthropology shows that hunter gather groups where we got our slaves tend to kill about 10% of the young males within their groups. He was just no good.

All those goody two shoes white laws about not chopping off heads will have to pay for life in prison.

Prison Industries have become big, cheap labor, California always made License plates, and in Louisiana and Mississippi Parchman Farm, Angola, run plantations that produce the food for the prisons.

You have to start somewhere, so several million black prisoners could be transferred to the the Black Community Farm Penal Colony, and produce enough food to feed all black people.

I think Charlton SC, as that is where most middle passage slaves landed and were sold.

Gaining control of the slave docks, markets, where most came to America would be a fitting place to have blacks in chains working the plantation.

White people have already agreed to the long term costs, so all that is lacking is a suitable site and black community control. This would pump a lot of money into a poor community. Most of our prisons waste the value of labor.

Charleston is turning black, if the Jews can have six million Holocosts Museums, giving black people one Williamsburg Type Slavery Museum, with real blacks in chains working the plantation, could be major tourism. Bring the children to see what happens to bad children.

We already have the white guilt and fear to pay for it, so the food production would be mostly profit.

The potential for reform increases, when people like yourself make the rules.

Yes, labor beneath the sun would lead to training, before you get released you will get an education, job training, and move in stages toward freedom.

For a few Counties in South Carolina we can empty the American Prison System, and fund Black Social and Economic Progress.

The area used to grow a lot of rice. I-28 dead ends there with a big swamp to the north. It is a natural confined space.

At risk youth could be sent to boarding schools there. Identifying with your community is one of the strongest social bonds.

It also has good beaches, fishing, and resort potential. Back in the good old days we did have Black resorts, beaches, hotels.

Black owned business would consider moving there. Atlanta is just too much.

New Orleans has a Black Owned Bank. The color line fell in New Orleans when a Black Restaurant allowed White People to come in the Front Door and eat in The Main Dining Room!

We now have enough educated black people to run this.

Our prison costs equal the cost of attending Harvard. Still, they get no education or job training.

Look at the problem, we want to reduce crime and develop the economy, while lifting groups that were excluded by law into the larger economy. Black Teens have the highest unemployment.

Lots of building involved, on the job training available, boarding school, community building, that can reduce crime long term.

All of these things are currently badly funded, giving Block Grants to white politics to spend.

Admit slavery was an iffy idea, take steps to develop the community, and the result;

20,000,000 Black Votes.

They would also support a Universal Income, but when selling, look at what the buyer would want.

Black Self Determination seeks higher goals than basic welfare.



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20 Nov 2014, 5:46 am

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