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21 Nov 2014, 9:26 am

No charges have been laid and they probably won't be. But the damage is done.

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21 Nov 2014, 9:29 am

No evidence that he's committed any crimes, either -- only the "testimonies" of a few disgruntled white women against a successful black man.


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21 Nov 2014, 9:38 am

Number of Bill Cosby accusers grows again - link

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The allegations by Serignese and others are similar:

-- Barbara Bowman, an aspiring actress, said in a Nov. 13 Washington Post column that she was 17 and blacked out after Cosby drugged her, waking up to find herself in panties and a man's T-shirt with the television icon looming over her. She said she was certain she was raped.

-- Joan Tarshis on Monday said she was a 19-year-old who wanted to be a comedy writer when Cosby gave her a drink and forced her to perform oral sex on him.

-- Janice Dickinson on Tuesday told "Entertainment Tonight" that Cosby had given her red wine and a pill when they were together in a Lake Tahoe, California, hotel room in 1982.



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21 Nov 2014, 10:23 am

The number of women coming forward doesn't really sway me toward believing he's guilty. Certainly there is no shortage of women willing to jump on the bandwagon and lie for their own personal gain once accusations of this sort gain traction. Maybe he's guilty, maybe he isn't.


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21 Nov 2014, 10:44 am

What I would count as evidence increasing P(guilty) would be records showing that a woman went to the police soon after the alleged incident, regardless of whether the police acted upon it. At the moment, it sounds like it's their word against his, and this long after the alleged incidents happened, there's no actual evidence. Which is no way to run a justice system, regardless of what some people may think.

Unless some had raised this after it allegedly happened? According to this, Barbara Bowman went to a lawyer soon afterwards. Which lawyer? What about the others she spoke to? Has anyone spoken to them recently to check her claims?


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21 Nov 2014, 11:17 am

androbot01 wrote:
Number of Bill Cosby accusers grows again - link

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The allegations by Serignese and others are similar:

-- Barbara Bowman, an aspiring actress, said in a Nov. 13 Washington Post column that she was 17 and blacked out after Cosby drugged her, waking up to find herself in panties and a man's T-shirt with the television icon looming over her. She said she was certain she was raped.

-- Joan Tarshis on Monday said she was a 19-year-old who wanted to be a comedy writer when Cosby gave her a drink and forced her to perform oral sex on him.

-- Janice Dickinson on Tuesday told "Entertainment Tonight" that Cosby had given her red wine and a pill when they were together in a Lake Tahoe, California, hotel room in 1982.



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21 Nov 2014, 12:48 pm

Many of the women say, and can corroborate, that they did at the time try to lodge complaints and were dissuaded by employers, Cosby's lawyer, their own parents. One of them explained clearly that nobody was going to believe them at a time when Cosby was the dad king on TV and the first black man to succeed that way. It was a big deal that the Huxtables were black. There had never been a show about a black professional middle class family before.

At the time, there were no rape kits and standard rape-sample-collection procedures, so if a woman was raped she could not go to the hospital and get swabbed and have DNA evidence. It was her word against his and if she had gone willingly into a room with him it was assumed that she had gone there for sex, even if that was not what she had intended.



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21 Nov 2014, 12:57 pm

The OP mentioned that charges "probably won't be laid" which is misleading because there will definitely not be any charges because the statue of limitations for all the reported incidents has already expired.

Murder is one of the only things that doesn't have a statute of limitations.


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21 Nov 2014, 2:07 pm

I feel like my whole childhood was raped.



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21 Nov 2014, 3:20 pm

I thought rape was also one of those few things not subject to the statute of limitations.

I don't know whether he did it or not. Wasn't there, don't know him, can't say.

Part of me would have no trouble believing it, though. There's something about the IMAGE of perfect wholesomeness that is always suspect with me. I guess that's mean-spirited, but so it is.


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21 Nov 2014, 3:45 pm

It is an unfortunate situation all around considering these accusations can never be proved and Cosby cannot defend himself, instead we're just destroying and ostracizing someone in the court of public opinion. The number of accusers certainly is alarming tho.



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21 Nov 2014, 7:22 pm

My understanding is he can't defend himself because he reached a settlement with another woman years ago. If he starts talking she can too, and everything under seal from that one will come out.



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21 Nov 2014, 8:18 pm

lostonearth35 wrote:
I feel like my whole childhood was raped.


I hear ya.

Mom and Dad bought me his comedy records when I was 12 back in the late Sixties. In the 80's he was president Reagan's, and everyone else's, favorite TV Dad . He was part of the growing up of more than one age group.

I am totally prejudiced in his favor. But I gotta admit that it doesnt look good.



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23 Nov 2014, 1:22 am

To quote Rhett Butler, "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn."

The only time Cosby was ever funny was back in the 1960's, when he was still was working blue, at least what passed for blue in that era. Other than his 1980's series, the only TV show where he was at his best as I Spy, a drama. His first solo series, as a high school basketball coach, was a bomb. To me, Cosby lost his edge once he completed his doctoral degree in Educational Psychology.


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23 Nov 2014, 3:13 am

he seems full of himself, when he criticizes the fashion of young people. maybe now THEY :P will have an excuse to tell HIM to "pull up HIS pants."