Has my sister a neuropsychological disorder?

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Do you think that my sister has some sort of (developmental) neuropsychological disorder?
Definately yes 8%  8%  [ 2 ]
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No 42%  42%  [ 11 ]
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13 Oct 2015, 7:52 am

I did not think about making a blog so much. I prefer to write on forums. I agree that my threads often look "blog-like". I think that it is easier to present or share my ideas and thoughts on a forum than on a blog.



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20 Oct 2015, 4:29 am

I suppose that my sister has "nonkanformism lite" (I named my condition (my sort of aspieness) as "nonkanformism" (from "non-kanneric" and "nononformism"), "pathological nonconformism syndrome"). I am "pathologically nonconformist" (my mentality is "uninterested" in normal life, adjusting to society, like "living in my own world"). I was "classified" as an individual with a pervasive developmental disorder, a mental illness, as someone who has "total incapacity of work". My sister does not look as bad as I.



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21 Oct 2015, 7:11 am

I would diagnose my sister with a PDD/sort of autism, not with learning disabilities or conduct problems. She may have other nature and be affected by a condition which is not known for specialists. She appears to have NVLD profile (she is not a "visual thinker" (words rather dominate, as in my case), her handwriting is even worse than mine, she learned how to ride a bicycle later than me). But "the difference of mentality" appears to be the most important in her case. She appears to have mild nonkanformism (developmental condition characterised by "morbid nonconformism" which is significantly different from Kanner's syndrome).

Nonkanformism is a sort of aspieness. It differs clearly from "typical" ASD. There are no prosopagnosia, technical splinter skills, idiosyncratic sensory processing (although poor dealing with sensory discomforts may be common), speech delay (speech should rather begin before walking and a person with nonkanformism is rather "predicted" to have NVLD profile), necessity of sameness and predictability. Nonkanformism may be a sort of developmental schizocondition, unlike "kannerotypal", "traditional" Asperger's.

It may be associated with low birth weight and other parameters - my brother does not look nonkanformist (even mildly), but he had birth weight 3600 g, body length 57 cm, head circumference 35 cm, chest circumference 35 cm. Sister had BW 2650 g, BL 53 cm, HC 32 cm, CC 30 cm. I had BW 2150 g, BL 53 cm, HC 32 cm, CC 28 cm. All three children have the same parents, had the same result in Apgar scale and were born on time. It looks interesting. Worse newborn "parameters"- more nonkanformist character in me and my siblings.



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21 Oct 2015, 11:26 am

I may (nick)name "pathological nonconformism syndrome" (PNS) as "Wolff's syndrome". In Tony Attwood's "Asperger's syndrome" I read about S. Wolff's supposition(?) that between "being normal" and having Asperger's there is something called "schizoid personality disorder". I also found such a quotation on this webpage (https://www.reddit.com/r/aspergers/comments/2637hf/how_do_schizoid_disorders_and_aspergers_match_up/): Wolff (1998) regards “Asperger syndrome and schizoid/schizotypal disorders as interchangeable terms that identify roughly the same group of children”. PNS is a "global difference" for me, not an idiosyncratic cognitive style or unusual way of processing sensory stimuli. It may even be a sort childhood-onset schizophrenia (at least in some severe cases) in addition to being a subtype of autism (a pervasive developmental disorder).

My sister may appear for me as having "schizoid personality disorder" or "schizoid character". But personality disorders are rather not diagnosed before adulthood (she is about 14,5) and "personality disorder" is not a correct term for a disorder which would be on one spectrum with my condition (which is a subtype of autism). I think that her condition should be recognised. before her 18th birthday. Having a brother with serious mental health problem, diagnosed with F84 and F2x is an argument for conclusion that my sister is "somewhat different", not (just) "rude" or "impolite".

For me the condition of my sister may looks alarming in comparison to many Aspijkas about who I read :( My sister does not look to have "specific deficits" like prosopagnosia or cognitive deficits associated with theory of mind. She may look (I do not want to offend my sister) "stupid" in comparison to these Aspijkas. I think that her state should not be ignored. She may have "different nature" like me, but not to such a degree as I have.



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22 Oct 2015, 7:39 am

My family looks "ignorant" and "helpless" about the case of my sister :( In elementary school she had even a bit worse marks than me. I suppose that she may be a disabled person because of an atypical subtype of autism. I have problems with imagining her future :( I would not name her condition as a personality disorder. My problems are also ignored by family. I am "unable to normal life". I may be afraid that my sister will end like me.



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07 Nov 2015, 7:31 am

For my mentality my sister does not look similar to any other person. I "suggested" my grandmother that my sister can be an Aspijka, but my grandmother opposed. "Classic" Aspijkas about who I read appears better for my mentality than my sister. My sister looks somewhat "stupid" for my mentality, also because of supposition that her condition is related to my condition. I would say that I am seriously ill mentally, in addition my problem is "atypical", "rare".



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16 Dec 2015, 9:26 am

For me my sister may look as more "disabled" mentally individual than high-functioning ASDer. And her problems may be seriously ignored. I do not rule out the possibility that she is really handicapped mentally (but not intellectually).

In some areas she is even worse than me! She has rather uglier handwriting, learned how to ride a bike later, had poorer grades in elementary school, has "deficit" of good will (is non-religious). When I read Tony Attwood's text about females with Asperger's, two themes were interesting to me: "childish voice" which is sometimes found among Aspijkas and interest in horses (I remember my "scrupules" about saying "horse" (in Polish and in plural instrumentative case) to describe interest(?) of my sister to a pedagogue or a psychologist when I was few years younger). She may be "harsher" Aspijka than it looks.



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11 Sep 2016, 6:26 am

If I have to diagnose my sister, I would describe her as having a highly atypical sort of autism, not (just) rude or internet/computer addict. She makes very bad impression on me. I suppose that her behavior and emotionality may have something to do with genetics. Something "handicapped" may "emanate" from her to me.

I was more "spiritual" than her, had stronger (and generally stranger) interests(!), liked to do bicycle ridings, was generaly more "mobile". She may be unspiritual, "immobile", without "more serious" interests, her way of life appears to be more sedentary.



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15 Oct 2016, 3:28 pm

Today I suggested my mother and brother that my sister can have autism. They did not rule out the possibility of autism in her. She graduated to next grade few months ago and had very good marks on her certificate.

I remember that my brother once said something like that that my sister behaves like a ten years old [person]. I read that people with Asperger's can have emotinal maturity of 2/3 their biological age - and this opinion suggests that my 15-years-old sister has a sort of "aspieness".

Good news is that she appears to be uninterested in having boyfriend (impure temptations are bad, better be free of them). She can look somewhat "man-like", not "woman-like" in her behavior, which also suggests "aspieness". I do not know if she has good relationships with classmates. She may spend very much of time in Internet or playing computer games. This pattern of behavior may be something like "special interest" (although she looks somehow "devoid of passion" in comparison to me).



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13 Jan 2018, 12:09 pm

My sister two times behaved very aggresively against her mother. She hurted her mother physically.

Now the girl spends very much time with smartphone. I suppose that she has not an aucorigia, but is only aucoroidal, having "broader aucorigia phenotype", while my brother looks anaucoric (not aucoroidal and especially not aucorrigic). She makes bad impression on me. She had rather very good grades at the end of previous school year (I had worse results when I was in the same school level (third class of gymnasium)). She was not bullied in school (I was bullied in elementary school and gymnasium).

I do not think that she has true pervasive developmental disorder because she may have relatively good social skills (especially in comparison to me) and have friends in school (but I do not know about her so much).

Interesting that the level of aucorism increased with lowered birth weight and birth body length (I, my brother and my sister were born on time). I had the lowest birth weight from the three children and was diagnosed with Asperger's. My sister looks aucoroidal while my brother looks anaucoric (he scored 15 from 50 in AQ test if I remember it well), he has a girlfriend and is rather resourceful (and I am rather not).



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06 Sep 2018, 4:18 pm

I wonder if my sister meets criteria of any mental disorder from ICD-10. Maybe her condition would be classified as F99 - unspecified mental disorders. She spends very much time in Internet, with the computer or smartphone. She looks to have siginicantly better eye contact and facial expressions than me. I would not rule out the possibility of PDD in her, but it would be an atypical, maybe even undescribed PDD. She definitely has not classic autism (Kanner's syndrome). She may be somewhat similar to individuals with pathological demand avoidance (PDA). But I would not say that she has PDA. She may make an impression that she is about 5-6 years younger. Maybe she had emotional maturity of ten years old child when she was 16 years old? About 2/3 of biological age. This phenomenon may be quite common among Aspies. She spends almost all her free time in home, since about three years or maybe older no her colleagues came to my home. She is almost 17,5 years old, she will be an adult ten months later and she may presents herself as immature. Maybe she will receive diagnosis of immature personality disorder (although personality disorders may be not diagnosed before reaching 18 years old). She appears to be not interested in self-development, she is not religious. She dislikes open doors in my home and often tells me to lock the doors. It could look like an OCD symptom, but I think that it is not OCD. She also quite often tells me or my brother to make computer or TV more silent. I read about individuals with full-blown, clinical aucorigias who presented rather better than my sister.



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17 Sep 2018, 4:32 pm

I suppose that my sister might have something like schizoid disorder of childhood. She might be described as "somewhat shy" when she was about 7 - 8 years old.

She learned how to ride a bike probably somewhat later than me (and also my brother might learned how to ride a bike later than I, but my brother is not aucorigic). She might learn how to tie the shoes when was about 7 years old, quite late (I learned it when I was about 8, if I remember it well).

She had quite poor grades (3, Polish: dostateczny) in physical education (although last school year she had 4 (good)). Last school year she had poor grade in mathematics (2, Polish: dopuszczający).

My sister still spends very much time in her room, with computer, Internet or smartphone. She dislikes when I do not close the doors.



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17 Sep 2018, 4:40 pm

She may be autistic, but regardless she clearly has delayed fine motor skills.


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17 Sep 2018, 4:56 pm

I suppose that she may be autistic in my way, she might have "lite" version of my type of autism (which I named "pathological nonconformism syndrome"). But she may not be truly introverted - she talks with others by the computer or maybe smartphone. She also have no Kanner syndrome, like I. She (at least probably) never had contact with the psychiatrist.

I have:
- diagnoses of:
*Asperger's syndrome (since almost 10 years),
*OCD,
*schizotypal disorder
- certifcate of moderate level of disability,
- ruling of total incapacity of work from Social Insurance Institution,
- care allowance (153 PLN per month),
- social pension (above 700 PLN per month).

She does not practise sports. When I was younger than she, I played football with peers. I also rode a bike quite a lot.

She may make worse impression than I and many diagnosed Aspies about whom I read. But she appears to not be as socially inept as I, she was not mobbed in school, unlike I.



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18 Sep 2018, 4:10 pm

Most votes in the pool are for "rather no" and "definately no", but the difference is small. I think that she does not meet DSM-V criteria for ASD or even ICD-10 criteria for AS. Now I think that she is NOT aucorigic.

She may have normal or relatively normal social skills. She is better in cooking than me, I think. She has no special interests, OCD, stimmability (although sometimes, rather quite rarely, some stim-like behaviors were present). She "complain" about too noisy TV or computer some times. But she has no sensory overloads and shutdowns (even I do not have them). She (at least rather) does not present one-sided conversations.

When I was about 17 and she about 7 years old, she gave me quite good answer for the question associated with theory of mind (I rather did not know the answer despite being much older).

My nature want to have autistic or truly schizophrenic siblings or parents. Then the need of wife would be smaller. It looks bad for me to be the only person in my home and closer family who has ruling of disability due to mental health problem. I am lonely in my oddness. My nature may complain that I have no sister or brother with full-fledged ASD or true paranoid schizophrenia with real hallucinations, delusions and negative symptoms.
"Sister from the dream" of my mentality would present such characteristics:
- lack of intuitive theory of mind
- weak central coherence
- speech delay (first word when 3 years old, first sentence at 4,5 years)
- idiosyncratic sensory processing, hypersensitivity or hyposensitivity, frequent sensory overloads
- total prosopagnosia
- excitation waves with severe stimming
- special interests, very strong, idiosyncratic, inflexible, with hyperfocus
- need of sameness and predictability, many routines and rituals (but not associated with magical thinking)
- marked dyssemia, no eye contact, poor facial expressions, prosody
- PIQ much larger than VIQ, but no intellectual disability (for example PIQ 140, VIQ 110)
- no happiness from being together with others, social reciprocity deficits, tendency to one-sided conversations about special interests, lack of spontaneous sharing of enjoyments and achievements
- literal concrete thinking, no understanding of metaphors
- echolalias, pronoun reversals at least in childhood
Living with four non-aucorigic people (mother, father, brother, sister) is not a cause of happiness to my odd mentality. I am "black sheep" in my family. Other family members are not like I.



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19 Sep 2018, 4:37 pm

I may suppose some mental disorders or its traits in my sister.
One of them is schizoid personality disorder. She may be asexual and may do not want to have boyfriend and have not him. I think that asexuality is something positive and not a symptom of mental disorder (schizoidia may be looked as another sort of character, temperament for me).
Another condition which might be present in her case is immature personality. She may behave like 10-years-old child.
She may have some traits of pathological demand avoidance (she may like when others talk about her and she started to walk quite lately, about 14th month of life(?)) and NVLD (some clumsiness, she might have some difficulties with learning to tell the time from the clock).

I have a hope that she has no conduct disorder or antisocial personality.

I know relatively little about my own sister, she may be not so well inclined to me. I rather do not talk with her.