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04 Dec 2014, 1:41 am

“I had a discussion with a great master in Japan, and we were talking about the various people who are working to translate the Zen books into English, and he said, ‘That’s a waste of time. If you really understand Zen, you can use any book. You could use the Bible. You could use Alice in Wonderland. You could use the dictionary, because the sound of the rain needs no translation.'”

- Alan Watts



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04 Dec 2014, 2:42 am

Nor does the sound of GOD aka all that is aka Mother Nature True.

Language and complex culture including religion is an incredible barrier for understanding the deepest of truths about reality as they are NOT FOUND in words alone.

ZEN scores A DEFINITE WIN ON ALL THAT IS. :)

And Alan Watts is a RIGHT ON dude. :)


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04 Dec 2014, 7:29 pm

To understand Zen, you must first understand Zen.


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04 Dec 2014, 7:55 pm

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To point out 'essential Zen-teachings' is almost impossible, given the variety of schools, the extended history of 1500 years, and the emphasis on suchness, reality just-as-it-is, which has to be expressed in daily life, not in words.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen

Zen exists before the word ZEN is created.. not unlike the concept of GOD... in three letter worded way...

MOST Animals enjoy this state of being daily.. almost always now...

Human may be the greatest exception.. in the Universe.. but human certainly is here on Earth....

IN REAL LIFE i have been referred to as a ZEN master by those in the so-called know of what ZEN is..

My success is in not knowing in standard IQ way.. my success is in just being.. like my Yellow Tabby true ZEN master teaches me to do..;)

In HUMAN INNATE INSTINCT.. feeling and intuition...

These are the INNATE HUMAN ATTRIBUTES that three college degrees.. the top of the class.. a successful over two decades of government work wearing many hats there.. going toe to toe with military leaders.. AND FINANCIAL INDEPENDENCE NEVER TAUGHT ME..

And the eventual result OF THAT IGNORANCE IS almost death.. eventually... to truly have no idea how to be a FULL ANIMAL WITH BASIC ANIMAL NATURE.... SIMPLY IN THE ZEN WAY....

IT is totally free as is.. for those who 'SEE' IT WITHOUT words....

AND IT has been around as long AS all it is exists.... WHERE SENSES view IT as IS...

And yes.. IT CAN BE ZEN.. FOR ONE WHO DOES NOT KNOW IT in what folks think is reality in abstract language and complex culture as is... IT...

But.. IT IS Almost impossible to explain this to someone from THIS CULTURE.. though.. OVERALL..

AS illusions do run deep.... AT least where i live for SURE....:) IN CULTURE AS IS... IT...


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04 Dec 2014, 8:30 pm

There is no past. There is no future. There is only the Now.

Though we can see the stars in the sky, we can reach only so far - this defines Here.

The Here and the Now are all that really matter. Not even the Self matters, for the Here and the Now exist without the Self.

When you are hungry, eat. When you are thirsty, drink. When you are weary, rest.

Zen encompasses these.


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04 Dec 2014, 8:37 pm

^^^

POETIC and TRUTH..:)


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04 Dec 2014, 10:33 pm

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04 Dec 2014, 10:50 pm

^^^
Yes.. it can be..:)


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06 Dec 2014, 4:55 am

aghogday wrote:


IN REAL LIFE i have been referred to as a ZEN master by those in the so-called know of what ZEN is..

These are the INNATE HUMAN ATTRIBUTES that three college degrees.. the top of the class.. a successful over two decades of government work wearing many hats there.. going toe to toe with military leaders.. AND FINANCIAL INDEPENDENCE NEVER TAUGHT ME..


Those who say do not know, those who know do not say.
~Lao Tzu

There is no I in Zen.
~Anon.


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06 Dec 2014, 8:20 am

Zen is like a cloud, in that you perceive its form only from the outside. Once inside, you perceive only that part which surrounds you. Try to grasp it, and your hand remains empty, yet it is part of every breath you take.

Zen is the perfume of a courtesan - you smell it only after she passes, and then it is gone, leaving only the memory of something pleasant. Yet, that too will fade and pass on.

Zen is like a cat, in that it will ignore your best efforts to engage it; but be still and wait, emptying your mind of all desire for it, and it will find you without your knowing.

Zen has no form, no purpose, and no will of its own. It simply exists in the moment.


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06 Dec 2014, 12:13 pm

slave wrote:
aghogday wrote:


IN REAL LIFE i have been referred to as a ZEN master by those in the so-called know of what ZEN is..

These are the INNATE HUMAN ATTRIBUTES that three college degrees.. the top of the class.. a successful over two decades of government work wearing many hats there.. going toe to toe with military leaders.. AND FINANCIAL INDEPENDENCE NEVER TAUGHT ME..


Those who say do not know, those who know do not say.
~Lao Tzu

There is no I in Zen.
~Anon.


ZEN is in all things and no things and me.. so yes.. ZEN includes I as to deny human ego is to deny human....AND ZEN......and i

[QUOTEme;)/]


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09 Dec 2014, 3:06 am

aghogday wrote:
slave wrote:
aghogday wrote:


IN REAL LIFE i have been referred to as a ZEN master by those in the so-called know of what ZEN is..

These are the INNATE HUMAN ATTRIBUTES that three college degrees.. the top of the class.. a successful over two decades of government work wearing many hats there.. going toe to toe with military leaders.. AND FINANCIAL INDEPENDENCE NEVER TAUGHT ME..


Those who say do not know, those who know do not say.
~Lao Tzu

There is no I in Zen.
~Anon.


ZEN is in all things and no things and me.. so yes.. ZEN includes I as to deny human ego is to deny human....AND ZEN......and i

[QUOTEme;)/]


Wow....... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Dude, the whole point is that there is no YOU!! !! No self. No human ego. No I. I would encourage you to read some very basic definitions of Zen before you speak of yourself as a Master. Don't hoist your confusion on others, please.

Be well.


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09 Dec 2014, 11:23 am

slave wrote:
aghogday wrote:
slave wrote:
aghogday wrote:


IN REAL LIFE i have been referred to as a ZEN master by those in the so-called know of what ZEN is..

These are the INNATE HUMAN ATTRIBUTES that three college degrees.. the top of the class.. a successful over two decades of government work wearing many hats there.. going toe to toe with military leaders.. AND FINANCIAL INDEPENDENCE NEVER TAUGHT ME..


Those who say do not know, those who know do not say.
~Lao Tzu

There is no I in Zen.
~Anon.


ZEN is in all things and no things and me.. so yes.. ZEN includes I as to deny human ego is to deny human....AND ZEN......and i

[QUOTEme;)/]


Wow....... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Dude, the whole point is that there is no YOU!! ! ! No self. No human ego. No I. I would encourage you to read some very basic definitions of Zen before you speak of yourself as a Master. Don't hoist your confusion on others, please.

Be well.


Well the thing is, there is also the Science of ZEN as there is the Science of GOD aka Mother Nature True and to deny ego is to deny human as ego is a natural property AND NECESSARY PROPERTY OF BALANCED HUMAN BEING AS SCIENCE NOW SHOWS.

AND YOU SEE WHILE THERE IS THE i of I that controls EGO, EGO can be a ZEN ART too practiced as such by i.

i am Director of the Play of the actor that is I.

And i Love to practice the ZEN ART of EGO THAT IS I.

To say that the definition of Human Understanding of ZEN cannot be practiced and improved is to NOT UNDERSTAND ZEN IN THE FIRST PLACE.

SO perhaps i am the ONLY one to understand that I IS ZEN too.

i think not as I are thoughts.

This is easy for me but I suppose it could be like that Tree Falling in the Forest with no one there hearing IT for some folks, with due respect.

People who TRULY LIVE AND UNDERSTAND ZEN NEVER ROLL THEIR EYES AT OTHERS FOR THINKING DIFFERENT.

NOR DO THEY ROLL THEIR i as they simply live IT AS i and I and accept I as simple human being as practice and never PERFECTION THAT IS ONLY A PRACTICE OF i AS I.

A major failure of the OLD ART OF BUDDHISM IS THAT IT FAILS TO UNDERSTAND ALL OF HUMAN NATURE NOW PER MODERN SCIENCE like desire is a necessary and positive force of human emotional emoting power of nature too, when not done in excess.

AND THAT IS OKAY AS THE SAME APPLIES TO OLD TRIBAL GODS AS WELL.

WE LIVE AND WE LEARN WITH NEW DATA ABOUT US.

TO NOT ACCEPT THAT IS NOT ZEN OR GOD.

And please, if you will, read more carefully what I write.

I never said i was a ZEN master as i think not.

I've also been likened to Jesus, Superman, and Buddha in life by others, without trying to be like them at all.

But i was not the one who likened myself to them, then, either.

Sometimes i do it now, just for fun, per the ZEN ART OF EGO of I.

But i remain as simply i FOREVERMORE NOW.

AND BY THE WAY i am NO SLAVE as i can MAKE I WHATEVER i DESIRE I to be NO MATTER WHAT HUMAN 'THINKS' THEY CONTROL ME. :)


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09 Dec 2014, 12:07 pm

tHere is one religion that i have little TO NO respect for and that is the religion of fundamentalism and it comes in almost all colors of politics, philosophy, religion, reason in general, and even emotion IN GENERAL too.

i stray from it as much as possible to simply be FREE.

AS AGAIN i AND I am NO SLAVE TO ANYTHING BUT i with the BIG ONE TOO. :)


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