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Cops are treated differently right now! That's the whole point. If I put somebody in a choke hold, then sat on his head and the guy died, I would be facing manslaughter charges. The as*hole responsible for Eric Garner's death didn't even get indicted. The cop who killed that kid in Ferguson did not get indicted.

This issue is similar to the "stand your ground" laws that exempt people from prosecution for using deadly force. I don't agree with that. You should use non-deadly force in a confrontation whenever possible.

Well, it depends on the reason. If someone died after you were subduing them after they did something illegal against you, you wouldn't be charged (if it was reasonable force). If someone dies when the police are arresting them, and the force isn't excessive, they won't be charged in the same way.

I fail to see excessive force in Garner's case. Brown was killed in a typical self-defense situation. Neither are good cases for showing police brutality.

"Stand your ground" just means you don't need to flee if someone is trying to kill you. Which makes sense, unless you want to blame the victim for trying to save themselves. Typically, you have a duty to flee in a self-defense situation before you're able to respond with reasonable force; I say f**k that noise -- if someone steps up and tries to kill you, then screw them. Duty to flee is saying criminals have more rights than you at the commencement of the attack.

Ironically though, most self-defense situations are treated like "stand your ground" in the courts (unless there so happens to be a media agenda going on), whether the law is there or not, because screw criminals.

Well maybe I am mistaking about that particular one, I am not the one who wrote all the articles that said he was strangled to death via choke-hold...perhaps you can link me to a more reliable article in that case.

The most I can tell:

take down was part of the cause of death (nothing about the take down was illegal, nor excessive force by law)
resisting arrest (and by extension, criminal behavior) was part of the cause of death
Garner's health was part of the cause of death

There's no way the officers can be found guilty of any criminal wrongdoing that I can see.

They can be sued for wrongful death and I hope they are. The take down was not done properly. You don't put someone in a chokehold according to NYPD guidelines and it led to a death. Furthermore Eric Garner was not posing an immediate danger to anyone (including the arresting officers), so why did they gang up on him and do that take down? What's the emergency?

Furthermore, what would have happened if he did not resist arrest is that he would go to jail and get charged. That costs money even if the charges are later dropped. There are all kinds of consequences that happen when you get locked up. If you don't have money for a lawyer, you get a PD. They are unbelievably overworked. You would get a plea deal and get pressured to take it even if you are innocent. It's your word against the cops. I have been falsely arrested and have seen many other people get bad deals, so why trust the cops and cooperate and get screwed?

I hate to make this personal but it must be nice to live in the world you live in where you don't have to fear the cops and can trust in the criminal justice system. My experience is more like that of Eric Garner. Cops profile people. It leads to unjust outcomes including deaths. Changes need to be made to hold cops accountable.

That is what I kinda figured....the only source I've heard that claims the choke hold was not excessive and did not lead to the death is the poster Dillogic, id be curious to know where they got their info.

Police in the UK are getting just as bad and, worse they are getting away with it. We recently had a case involving a severely autistic man getting called a f-wording p-word (racist) then he got shoved by the two cops. They were recorded on the radio as saying those words, many impartial witnesses saw the assault and another recording afterwards heard the officers laughing and saying how funny it was to watch the fat b-word run.

They got let off...

the people, to a person, poo-poo-ing police brutality would surely change their tune, if it happened to them. selling loose cigarettes is not supposed to be a capital offense. those bloodsucking shop owners who dropped a dime on garner will have some splainin' to do when they meet their makers. absolutely NO harm would have been done had the merchants just minded their own bloody business and left garner in peace. he was not doing any harm whatsoever.

Those are sad things I read here, people don't care what it costs to do what they want even if it means hurting others. In this world the circumstances come first, reasons are left for later.

^This. I am getting sick of hearing people claiming that there are criminals is a perfectly valid excuse for the police to essentially have free reign without any of those pesky consequences.