Subclinical autism as an overlooked part of the spectrum?

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09 Mar 2015, 4:40 pm

Thank you so much for letting me know.

Were not alone........

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01 Dec 2017, 2:58 pm

Wow! Wish I had seen this a few years ago...

Know that I have hit a wall and become more symptomatic, I am pursuing a formal diagnosis, but have referred to myself as not-quite-diagnosable ASD in the process of psych evals over the past decade.


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01 Dec 2017, 5:28 pm

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I am an ambassador for the National Autistic Society and two weeks ago I was speaking in the Houses of Parliament about the experience of living in the "In-between" world. By "In-between" I am talking
about being too autistic for the Non autistic world and too adaptive for the mainstream autistic community.

I have copy and pasted the complete talk I offered for those who might be interested.

Wishing you all well.



I was diagnosed with high functioning autism in the summer of 2007 at the age of forty two. Two years later I had the good fortune to have an autobiographical account of my life published. The title of the book was called A Painful Gift. I mention this now because the words, pain and gift convey so well my experience of living with high functioning autism.

At the age of fifteen and after years of being told I was odd, peculiar or disturbed, I was eventually hospitalized for eighteen months with severe anxiety and depression. At the time little was known about high functioning autism, consequently my time in hospital was deeply traumatic.

I had received numerous diagnosis over the years, which included tourettes syndrome, obsessional compulsive disorder, dyslexia, depression & anxiety.

Whilst it is true I have these conditions, it was of enormous importance that these very conditions were seen in the context of autism itself, as then and only then could the appropriate support and therapies be drawn up and applied effectively.

Autism remained an enigma to myself and those in my care for two very simple reasons.

Firstly, the extent to which I was daily humiliated and taken advantage of as a child, became the extent to which I would unconsciously construct a facade to insulate me from the world that I felt constantly lost and overwhelmed in.
I became so convincing in acting normal that my autism remained hidden to myself and the world.

Secondly, GP's, psychiatrists, even specialists in the field of autism itself, still have enormous difficulty is seeing how truly diverse and wide the autistic spectrum really is. Amungst us there are philosophers as well as mathematicians. Artists as well as engineers. Dancers, musicians, poets & dreamers. We can love and we can cry. We might communicate in a way that's different from the average person, but that's a difference and not an inability.

The facts are kind and the denial of the facts can be very unkind indeed. I would not be alive today if I had not received the diagnosis of high functioning autism. I would have taken my life. The cloud of unknowing became so lonely.

Being diagnosed with high functioning autism did not belittle or diminish my humanity, on the contrary it gave me my humanity back.

The experience of diagnosis in this context has not so much been an end point, but a doorway into another existence free from confusion of unknowing and the false belief and shame of feeling wrong.

The philosopher Pierre Teilhard de Chardin said, "We are not human beings having a spiritual experience, but spiritual beings having a human experience. Today I can say that "I am a spiritual being having a human experience of which autism is an integral part." Knowing this is enables me to be free.
Your situation mirrors my own somewhat.



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02 Dec 2017, 3:53 am

BAP label gets you nothing but frustration. It is not on the DSM 5 or the ICD. It is a convenient way for people to say you are not autistic without saying you are not autistic and your problems are your fault. It is a convenient label for clinicians who do not believe that anybody who is married, has a job etc should be labeled autistic but who does not want to be or perceived as cruel.

With that said most of us do not want the “everybody is a little autistic” idea to go any further. No matter how strict or inclusive your definition of autism is there are going to be people on the “borderline” and for those people it is going to be exceedingly frustrating.


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02 Dec 2017, 8:24 am

quaker wrote:
Firstly, the extent to which I was daily humiliated and taken advantage of as a child, became the extent to which I would unconsciously construct a facade to insulate me from the world that I felt constantly lost and overwhelmed in.
I became so convincing in acting normal that my autism remained hidden to myself and the world.

Secondly, GP's, psychiatrists, even specialists in the field of autism itself, still have enormous difficulty is seeing how truly diverse and wide the autistic spectrum really is.

That's it. Acting normal so well that nobody catched the damage to my mental health until it was ruined and I could no more fake it. And then misdiagnosed because nobody could understand me when I stopped faking.
I wish doctors could give me a diagnosis not of a disorder for treatment but of a variant that responds differently. So they could take it into account in interpreting what I say and show.
I wish they could distinguish being autistic and sane from being autistic and with mental problems to treat.
Not by the perfection of my faking whatever was expected from me. Really distinguish.
There is a lot to do in psychiatry.


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02 Dec 2017, 1:34 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
BAP label gets you nothing but frustration. It is not on the DSM 5 or the ICD. It is a convenient way for people to say you are not autistic without saying you are not autistic and your problems are your fault. It is a convenient label for clinicians who do not believe that anybody who is married, has a job etc should be labeled autistic but who does not want to be or perceived as cruel.

With that said most of us do not want the “everybody is a little autistic” idea to go any further. No matter how strict or inclusive your definition of autism is there are going to be people on the “borderline” and for those people it is going to be exceedingly frustrating.


I've lived, with some awareness, on that borderline for a decade I have been looking for something to explain why my thought process was so different from those around me. That there isn't a description or diagnosis short of Aspergers' (I know, removed...) means that I had to wait to find my stress limits, along with some potentially catastrophic effects on my life, before I could actually pursue a diagnosis. In the meantime, yes, my failings have been taken as moral, rather than mental health limitations.


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02 Dec 2017, 2:55 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
BAP label gets you nothing but frustration. It is not on the DSM 5 or the ICD. It is a convenient way for people to say you are not autistic without saying you are not autistic and your problems are your fault. It is a convenient label for clinicians who do not believe that anybody who is married, has a job etc should be labeled autistic but who does not want to be or perceived as cruel.

With that said most of us do not want the “everybody is a little autistic” idea to go any further. No matter how strict or inclusive your definition of autism is there are going to be people on the “borderline” and for those people it is going to be exceedingly frustrating.


I agree with this. It's not really something that is useful outside scholarly articles.

If all the autistic chameleons and hyperempathics get a BAP sticker, what exactly does that do for them? They are still disabled, but will not get help. My doctor told me pre-diagnosis that I shouldn't label myself autistic just because I have some traits. After diagnosis, she said that the extremely detailed diagnostic report left no doubt, but she said she really hadn't seen how severe it was. Which makes sense. I have a million coping strategies, but not unlimited energy. My doctor is cool. She's able to admit she doesn't know everything, and to change her mind once there is evidence. A lot of people can't say that.


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02 Dec 2017, 5:05 pm

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If all the autistic chameleons and hyperempathics get a BAP sticker, what exactly does that do for them? They are still disabled, but will not get help. My doctor told me pre-diagnosis that I shouldn't label myself autistic just because I have some traits. After diagnosis, she said that the extremely detailed diagnostic report left no doubt, but she said she really hadn't seen how severe it was. Which makes sense. I have a million coping strategies, but not unlimited energy. My doctor is cool. She's able to admit she doesn't know everything, and to change her mind once there is evidence. A lot of people can't say that.


The whole issue over coping strategies/masking, and the professional or NT definition of autism, versus how autistic people would describe their experience, is such a funny and infuriating irony, isn't it? Like many here, I've dealt with the skepticism, from professionals and peers. As part of my job I have to come up with goals for autistic people who receive support services. I write goals for things like social skills which are supposed to be realistic and attainable. But, for people like me who've had to learn that stuff the hard way, without supports, it's like you don't count. The goals should be realistic, but no one seems to believe it when they see anyone who's learned the skills.

I also get the impression that a lot of professionals don't factor in IQ or other things when it comes to autism. They only see the autism, even though many autistic people have other diagnoses. If more people looked at the whole person, I think they'd see how autistic traits can display in varied ways. For example, when I was a kid, I'd lightly bang my head on the car window when I was frustrated in traffic. I knew if I banged hard I'd hurt myself and/or damage the window and piss off my mom. So I often held in that urge, which was hard. But, I work with autistic kids who have maybe an IQ of 50 and will just destroy the window. They are easy to diagnose for obvious reasons, but for those of us who hold in the same urges, or hide our stimming, it's hard because you don't get what supports or clarity you do need, even if you may be pretty independent. Autistic people are accused of black and white thinking, but I feel the professional view of who is or isn't autistic is very black and white.



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If all the autistic chameleons and hyperempathics get a BAP sticker, what exactly does that do for them? They are still disabled, but will not get help. My doctor told me pre-diagnosis that I shouldn't label myself autistic just because I have some traits. After diagnosis, she said that the extremely detailed diagnostic report left no doubt, but she said she really hadn't seen how severe it was. Which makes sense. I have a million coping strategies, but not unlimited energy. My doctor is cool. She's able to admit she doesn't know everything, and to change her mind once there is evidence. A lot of people can't say that.


The whole issue over coping strategies/masking, and the professional or NT definition of autism, versus how autistic people would describe their experience, is such a funny and infuriating irony, isn't it? Like many here, I've dealt with the skepticism, from professionals and peers. As part of my job I have to come up with goals for autistic people who receive support services. I write goals for things like social skills which are supposed to be realistic and attainable. But, for people like me who've had to learn that stuff the hard way, without supports, it's like you don't count. The goals should be realistic, but no one seems to believe it when they see anyone who's learned the skills.

I also get the impression that a lot of professionals don't factor in IQ or other things when it comes to autism. They only see the autism, even though many autistic people have other diagnoses. If more people looked at the whole person, I think they'd see how autistic traits can display in varied ways. For example, when I was a kid, I'd lightly bang my head on the car window when I was frustrated in traffic. I knew if I banged hard I'd hurt myself and/or damage the window and piss off my mom. So I often held in that urge, which was hard. But, I work with autistic kids who have maybe an IQ of 50 and will just destroy the window. They are easy to diagnose for obvious reasons, but for those of us who hold in the same urges, or hide our stimming, it's hard because you don't get what supports or clarity you do need, even if you may be pretty independent. Autistic people are accused of black and white thinking, but I feel the professional view of who is or isn't autistic is very black and white.


It gets difficult once you get into these IQ discussions. It's clearly a thing, yet IQ is variable over periods of time and varies with the 'state' of the person. Clearly some WP members have gotten wildly low estimates of their intellectual ability. But the worst thing about it is that apart from getting a little bit better educated, there's not a lot you can do about it. It makes people feel bad to think about. It's fun when you have high intelligence, utterly irrelevant if you have low intelligence, and if you're somewhere in the middle or a bit low and you have low self esteem, you just have one more thing to worry about.

Without ever having been tested, I's say my verbal intelligence is quite a lot higher than the rest of my intelligences, and I'm one of those extreme systemisers, which ties in with my linguistic ability. I can't not see patterns, and for most of my life I couldn't understand why other people don't see them as well. I seem to do Theory of Mind quite well, until I don't. It's like they think we can't learn patterns of behavior, but if we can learn other types of patterns, how are behavioral patterns different? If I see the a behavior repeated, I can always come up with a theory for why somebody is doing it. Sometimes that theory is wildly wrong, but if I have a theory I can always test it.

What bothers me the most is the unprofessional reasons for not diagnosing. Basically the cutoff point for any mental health problem is whether is hinders normal functioning, and the same applies to autism diagnosis. Yet there are people who are clearly functioning very badly, but instead of an autism diagnosis they get alphabet soup, with some expectation that they would at some point get better if they had more money and security, but unfortunately they don't and never will. Misdiagnosis of women is a huge thing, and of men who have a more 'female' presentation of AS.

I'm happy they are working more on adult diagnosis tests. There must be so many out there. I wonder how many drug addicts are autistic? And how many of them can't deal at all with the rehabilitation programs that are geared toward neurotypical people? I met one guy once. My boss thought he was on drugs. I thought maybe he was autistic. After thinking about it, I realized he was most likely both autistic and on drugs.


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