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Are we headed toward World War 3?
Yes, and it will happen very soon. 22%  22%  [ 8 ]
Yes, but it won't happen for a few more years. 31%  31%  [ 11 ]
Yes, but it won't happen for a long time. 8%  8%  [ 3 ]
No, it will never happen. 17%  17%  [ 6 ]
Other, please explain. 22%  22%  [ 8 ]
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31 Mar 2015, 3:59 pm

With ever growing tensions in multiple spheres, there is speculation on the part of some that a WW3 scenario may occur.

USA/NATO vs. Russia and China

China and Japan seem to be escalating old tensions.

Pakistan and India live in a state of constant nuclear antipathy.

Israel/USA vs. Iran

Sunni vs. Shiite(eg. Saudi Arabia and a coalition of Sunni nations invaded Iran-backed Yemen)
and so on and so on....

Do you think this could/will lead to a third World War?



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31 Mar 2015, 6:36 pm

China doesn't want war. If there's a war, it will be the world against the US because a lot of the world is angry at the US at the moment. If Europe ever turns on the US, it will really be the US v. the World. China might actually be the US's only ally in such a war, and maybe Saudi Arabia and Israel if we do not alienate either of them.

I honestly feel this country is hanging by a thread and is so close to fighting the entire world.



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31 Mar 2015, 6:48 pm

Modern wars are never spontaneous, they are carefully engineered to increase the wealth and power of International Bankers (who fund both sides) and to control world population. It's never really about who hates whom, that can be easily manipulated with the world News Media, its just about feeding the Military/Industrial Complex.


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31 Mar 2015, 7:15 pm

I doubt that there will be a global war within my lifetime.

However, I am certain that any moment now, some nutter is going to make a long post in this thread about prophesies and the wrath of his or her 'god' being poured out upon all of humanity for whatever 'sins' the poster feels are the most heinous at the time.



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31 Mar 2015, 8:31 pm

Things are just returning to normal.

During the decades of the cold war the planet was polarized into two camps.

Now things have returned to the norm of multilateral tension rather than dipolar tension.

Before the Cold War the whole world was owned by a handful of European colonial powers. Europeans fought each other. But the third world was at peace because the third world had no independent countries.

Then after the second world war the European powers began to loose their colonies, but the world was polarized in the cold war between the communist and non communist camps. But no global war broke out ,for a number of reasons, not the least being because of common fear on both sides of nuclear annihilation.

Now that both the cold war and colonialism are over the peoples of Africa, Asia, and Latin America, are free to have their own soveriegnty, and their own conflicts. So, not surprisingly, there are alot more conflicts going on.

This recent air campain by the Saudies against Yemeni rebels raises fears of an all out regional war breaking out in the middle east between the Sunnies, and the Shiites. That in turn might draw outside powers in. Russia, China, on the side of Shiite Iran, Iraq, Assad, and Hezbollah. And the USA, and NATO, on the side of Saudi Arabia, and its Sunni Arab allies. Trouble is that it would be hard to line up the opposing sides if you wanted to stage such a war. You would have to have Israel allied to Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, etc. The USA would have to fight against its own client state (Iraq). And the USA would have to be allied TO ISIS. Israel, and the USA would end up backing ISIS against the government that the USA itself installed in Bagdad because the Shiite Iraqi government would be the spearhead of the Iranian led alliance, and their push westward against the Saudi led Sunni alliance. Don't see how you could make a proper world war out of a mess like that!



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31 Mar 2015, 9:04 pm

will@rd wrote:
Modern wars are never spontaneous, they are carefully engineered to increase the wealth and power of International Bankers (who fund both sides) and to control world population. It's never really about who hates whom, that can be easily manipulated with the world News Media, its just about feeding the Military/Industrial Complex.


Can you back up these claims with a little something called evidence, by any chance?



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31 Mar 2015, 10:21 pm

In think it can be argued that we in the west, as well as allies in the Middle East have been in a world war with Extreme Islam for years now.


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31 Mar 2015, 10:36 pm

I don't think we'll see a world war, but we do seem to be slipping back into bipolar/tripolar world and cold war.

Putin just said that he reserves the right to defend the interests of ethnic Russians wherever they might be. That's an extremely provocative and potentially dangerous thing.

Putin wants the USSR's satellites and Republics back. Some of them are NATO countries now. That's going to be a problem.

China is also going to be a problem in the future. China wants to regain it's precolonial status as a world power. They certainly want to be THE power in Asia and they are flexing the new military muscle (paid for by trade with the US) a lot lately. They're bullying the Philippines, Japan (both American clients who depend on us for military support), and Vietnam.

We're either going to have to withdraw from Asia or start containing China. The former would be an extremely bitter pill for the US to take and the latter might be a bigger bite than we can chew.


There's plenty of potential for conflict, but I think it will mostly take the shape of cold and proxy wars.


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31 Mar 2015, 10:39 pm

Fnord wrote:
I doubt that there will be a global war within my lifetime.

However, I am certain that any moment now, some nutter is going to make a long post in this thread about prophesies and the wrath of his or her 'god' being poured out upon all of humanity for whatever 'sins' the poster feels are the most heinous at the time.


I really can't help myself :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :oops:
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Prophesied events during a Kali Yuga

A discourse by Markandeya in the Mahabharata identifies some of the attributes of Kali Yuga. In relation to rulers, it lists:
Rulers will become unreasonable: they will levy taxes unfairly.
Rulers will no longer see it as their duty to promote spirituality, or to protect their subjects: they will become a danger to the world.
People will start migrating, seeking countries where wheat and barley form the staple food source.
"At the end of Kali-yuga, when there exist no topics on the subject of God, even at the residences of so-called saints and respectable gentlemen of the three higher varnas [guna or temperament] and when nothing is known of the techniques of sacrifice, even by word, at that time the Lord will appear as the supreme chastiser." (Srimad-Bhagavatam (2.7)

With regard to human relationships, Markandeya's discourse says:
Avarice and wrath will be common. Humans will openly display animosity towards each other. Ignorance of dharma will occur.
People will have thoughts of murder with no justification and will see nothing wrong in that.
Lust will be viewed as socially acceptable and sexual intercourse will be seen as the central requirement of life.
Sin will increase exponentially, whilst virtue will fade and cease to flourish.
People will take vows and break them soon after.
People will become addicted to intoxicating drinks and drugs.
Gurus will no longer be respected and their students will attempt to injure them. Their teachings will be insulted, and followers of Kama will wrest control of the mind from all human beings.
Brahmans will not be learned or honored, Kshatriyas will not be brave, Vaishyas will not be just in their dealings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_Yuga


And no, I'm not a Hindu. Eschatology is one of my interests though :wink:



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01 Apr 2015, 5:30 am

As I have said before all one has to do is compare the lead up to WW1 to what is going on today and it becomes clear that unless we are very very careful history is about to repeat.

We have very similar situations the decline and rise of imperialist superpowers, crisis withing capitalism and the forming of alliances. What may prevent it is the globalization of capital, yet this may also be another powder keg with the contradiction of global finance and means of production bound with nation states.

One only has to look at what is going on in the Indian ocean to get an idea of the increasing tensions. Just about every major player is jostling for position, getting ready to step in in case the sea routes from the gulf are threatened. China and India are snapping at each other with both rapidly expanding their nava; presence in the area, alongside the US, France, Uk

Here is am interesting report of an article from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (interesting acronym, knew there was I reason I have never liked it)
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01 Apr 2015, 6:34 am

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." -- Albert Einstein

We have yet the know if old Albert was right on this one. Let's hope we never find out.



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01 Apr 2015, 9:09 am

DentArthurDent wrote:
As I have said before all one has to do is compare the lead up to WW1 to what is going on today and it becomes clear that unless we are very very careful history is about to repeat.

We have very similar situations the decline and rise of imperialist superpowers, crisis withing capitalism and the forming of alliances. What may prevent it is the globalization of capital, yet this may also be another powder keg with the contradiction of global finance and means of production bound with nation states.

One only has to look at what is going on in the Indian ocean to get an idea of the increasing tensions. Just about every major player is jostling for position, getting ready to step in in case the sea routes from the gulf are threatened. China and India are snapping at each other with both rapidly expanding their nava; presence in the area, alongside the US, France, Uk

Here is am interesting report of an article from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (interesting acronym, knew there was I reason I have never liked it)
ASPI



It seems like most around the world do not like the United States and add to that dwindling resources such as water and energy. There's too much tension in the air and I don't see it letting up any time soon. The tension is directed mostly toward the US and it comes from everywhere, even our traditional allies. As an Australian, do you notice this, too?

I think one thing that might really tip the balance is Climate Change. China would team up with US and Russia on this matter, along with India. Climate Change, unless seriously addressed by all countries, could be the thing that sets up a brutal war into motion.



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01 Apr 2015, 11:29 am

I don't know if we are or not, but the other night I watched a video of the world map showing all the over 2000 bombs that have been detonated between 1945 to 1999. I think most of them were being tested, but no wonder there's so much cancer. :x

And of course there a at least a trillion other things out to kill us, so it's a wonder we've survived this long at all... except of course for the ones who didn't.



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01 Apr 2015, 11:31 am

DentArthurDent wrote:
As I have said before all one has to do is compare the lead up to WW1 to what is going on today and it becomes clear that unless we are very very careful history is about to repeat.

We have very similar situations the decline and rise of imperialist superpowers, crisis withing capitalism and the forming of alliances. What may prevent it is the globalization of capital, yet this may also be another powder keg with the contradiction of global finance and means of production bound with nation states.

One only has to look at what is going on in the Indian ocean to get an idea of the increasing tensions. Just about every major player is jostling for position, getting ready to step in in case the sea routes from the gulf are threatened. China and India are snapping at each other with both rapidly expanding their nava; presence in the area, alongside the US, France, Uk

Here is am interesting report of an article from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (interesting acronym, knew there was I reason I have never liked it)
ASPI


I read this article and was quite surprised. Australia has socialists? :D
There are tv shows on here that show the Australian customs people and the border patrols, from that show you'd think the Australians believe WW3 has started already.



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01 Apr 2015, 11:34 am

I think that Russia stands for the biggest threat now. Provocation after provocation against the rest of the world.



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01 Apr 2015, 2:06 pm

I have been saying this for a while now that we are headed for a WW3 scenario. I've been attacked, ridiculed for it - even laughed at by some. If it does happen it'll be because the US won't leave Russia alone, and it will probably involve Iran and Israel and the US in some form or another. The new world order wants to take over Russia and give it a central bank - Putin's not having any of it. The US and NATO are bullying Russia into a situation where there is no alternate option if they wan't to keep their sovereignty intact.

I hate to say this but the global bankers and US government (and not it's citizens) have become the biggest bullies on the planet.