APA found to be complicit in CIA torture program

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04 May 2015, 1:58 am

http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-worl ... e-program/
this seems very unsavory to me, and it diminishes my level of trust in members of the profession.



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04 May 2015, 7:04 pm

This topic came up at an APA conference a few years ago. https://kunsoo1024.wordpress.com/2007/0 ... hologists/

Some psychologists wanted to ban the involvement of the APA in military interrogations that deprive detainees of their human rights. Regrettably, it was voted down. Makes you really wonder about these guys. I am reminded of the abuse of psychiatry in the Soviet Union: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_ ... viet_Union


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04 May 2015, 7:06 pm

soviet-style abuses are not only soviet-style. it happens here also.



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04 May 2015, 7:08 pm

And, I am a conspiracy theorist? :lol:


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04 May 2015, 10:22 pm

Yet the ICD follows the DSM and many here accept the DSM as the only criteria for diagnosing Autism


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05 May 2015, 4:52 am

I'm fairly certain the majority APA members would not endorse collaboration with CIA mind/torture methods as it clearly breaches their ethical code of practice and therefore compromises their profession.

Those who choose to collaborate may protect their reputation as their work probably falls under the guise of protecting national security and anti-terrorism. However it's a very very slippery slope and the current evidence suggests that interrogation methods used by the CIA to extract information from prisoners do not yield valuable data anyway.



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05 May 2015, 12:28 pm

it reinforces in my mind, the prescient wisdom of dr. Thomas Szacz [RIP] who considered much of American psychology in practice as more akin to practical social politics.



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05 May 2015, 6:53 pm

auntblabby wrote:
http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/report-details-psychologists-role-in-cia-torture-program/
this seems very unsavory to me, and it diminishes my level of trust in members of the profession.


It isn't the first time. Dr. Ewen Cameron worked for the CIA and later became the president of the APA.

"The frequent screams of the patients that echoed through the hospital did not deter Cameron or most of his associates in their attempts to depattern their subjects completely."
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05 May 2015, 7:11 pm

"depatterning"=brainwashing or mind erasing. some of the worst evils are predicated on deceptive language.



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07 May 2015, 9:04 pm

auntblabby wrote:
http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/report-details-psychologists-role-in-cia-torture-program/
this seems very unsavory to me, and it diminishes my level of trust in members of the profession.



Psychologists largely have designed these techniques.


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07 May 2015, 9:06 pm

I don't know how a lot of those folks can not be fearful of being called to account [in a higher venue] for their work assisting torture?



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07 May 2015, 9:24 pm

auntblabby wrote:
I don't know how a lot of those folks can not be fearful of being called to account [in a higher venue] for their work assisting torture?


The 'higher venue' hire them specifically to develop these techniques.


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08 May 2015, 4:33 am

auntblabby wrote:
it reinforces in my mind, the prescient wisdom of dr. Thomas Szacz [RIP] who considered much of American psychology in practice as more akin to practical social politics.


It isn't the first time. Dr. Ewen Cameron worked for the CIA and later became the president of the APA.

auntblabby wrote:
"depatterning"=brainwashing or mind erasing. some of the worst evils are predicated on deceptive language.


It's probably relevant that prominent French psychologist Alfred Binet was a champion of the Eugenics movement which ironically provided the intellectual doctrine for the fledgling fascist movement in Germany that evolved into Nazism. '

Many sympathetic German psychologists were essential in the formulation of Nazi party strategies that gave rise to public policy doctrines. It's strange virtually nothing has been published about their role? without psychologists you cant create mass movements such as communism or fascism.

In this respect the contribution of psychologists to various CIA programs should barely come as a surprise.



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08 May 2015, 4:37 am

Protogenoi wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/report-details-psychologists-role-in-cia-torture-program/
this seems very unsavory to me, and it diminishes my level of trust in members of the profession.


Protogenoi wrote:
It isn't the first time. Dr. Ewen Cameron worked for the CIA and later became the president of the APA.


"The frequent screams of the patients that echoed through the hospital did not deter Cameron or most of his associates in their attempts to depattern their subjects completely."
- John D. Marks


While most psychologists wouldn't work for the CIA, there is no doubt they could not develop strategies without the aid of psychologists. Doctrines such as fascism and communism might have been written by philosophers such as Nietzsche and Marx, but the implementation of policy needed psychologists and their work such as the eugenicist Alfred Binet.



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08 May 2015, 10:29 am

Lets not forget that the CIA also employees many psychologists directly as regular staff agents.


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