STOP BLAMING MY HONESTY ON ASPERGERS!

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07 Jun 2015, 10:46 pm

In fact, there are a lot of things that I wish people would stop blaming on Asperger's, but the main thing my wife tends to do a lot is blame my being brutally honest on having Asperger's. I keep trying to tell her having Asperger's has nothing at all to do with it. It's the fact that whatever I say is exactly what I mean. Nothing is sugarcoated for a reason.

When we are old, we find out that lying is wrong...till you find those same people have been lying to you, too. You also grow up finding out that some people hate you jut for being honest, and others do for you lying to them about it. So, what is a wo/man to do when no matter what you do, you can't exactly win the game? You just hand it out. You just be honest, and hope they appreciate you for it. And if they hate you for being brutally honest, then what can you do? That says more about them than it does about you.

Not to mention, that being honest about thins is more therapeutic than people would think. After all, if feels incredibly horrible telling people just things they want to hear because it feels similar to lying.


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07 Jun 2015, 10:49 pm

a person can be honest in a nice way. that's easier for neurotypicals.



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07 Jun 2015, 10:56 pm

Blame??. It should be appreciated.


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07 Jun 2015, 11:30 pm

cathylynn wrote:
a person can be honest in a nice way. that's easier for neurotypicals.


It's not about having any bit of niceties at all for me. It's about knowing good and well the same people who want you to be easy probably aren't going to be as easy with you. That's my motivation. Just so there will be no misunderstandings, just tell the truth. You know?


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07 Jun 2015, 11:47 pm

I prefer honesty for two reasons:

#1 – It’s consistent with my moral code
#2 – It’s simpler to tell the truth (as it doesn’t require complex thought processes to ensure that the lie is infallible)



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07 Jun 2015, 11:50 pm

I'm happy to blame Asperger's when I feel compelled to be honest even if it's not in my own best interest but sometimes things can be phrased in softer manner and still be true.



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08 Jun 2015, 12:00 am

Honesty is more an expression of opinion than an expression of truth. And it is over-rated. Usually it's a sign of putting too much faith in the verbal.



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08 Jun 2015, 1:18 am

I have to be brutally honest with you here. It is the Aspergers.
It's linked to a deficit in Theory of Mind and a compulsion to talk about facts.
Facts are interesting. Manipulating people is not very interesting.
It's an autistic way of thinking.
Of course just about anyone is capable of lying to keep from getting in trouble.



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08 Jun 2015, 1:22 am

It is perfectly fine to be honest, but that doesn't mean you have to point out every flaw or mistake you notice another person make because you have to 'say something honest' sometimes you don't have to say anything or point something out.


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08 Jun 2015, 1:46 am

Marybird wrote:
I have to be brutally honest with you here. It is the Aspergers.
It's linked to a deficit in Theory of Mind and a compulsion to talk about facts.
Facts are interesting. Manipulating people is not very interesting.
It's an autistic way of thinking.
Of course just about anyone is capable of lying to keep from getting in trouble.


Well my autistic way of thinking does not force me to only be completely honest...and its not always to not get in trouble, sometimes I just don't want to talk about certain things. Also I prefer to pick my battles I am not going to point out every little thing someone does that annoys me....even if that means its somewhat dishonest.


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08 Jun 2015, 8:17 am

I am not one to be blunt, and I hate receiving blunt answers most of the time. I spend most of my life lying just to please or manipulate other people. I like to be honest in other ways, for example I would never want to cheat on my partner or steal money from people or sit there telling a load of BS when I know that just telling the truth won't hurt anyone or make any difference.

It's white lies I tell. They often work. Most Aspies are against white lies and see no purpose in them. I cannot relate. If I had a clingy friend who I wanted a bit of space from for a week, I wouldn't phone them up and say "oh I won't be meeting you this week, you are annoying and I need a break from you before I explode." I know it's blunt and honest, but I wouldn't want to be told that myself, so why would I tell someone else that? Instead I would phone up and say a plausible excuse. At least then, according to my friend, there's a chance it could be true. That's how white lies work.


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08 Jun 2015, 8:27 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
Marybird wrote:
I have to be brutally honest with you here. It is the Aspergers.
It's linked to a deficit in Theory of Mind and a compulsion to talk about facts.
Facts are interesting. Manipulating people is not very interesting.
It's an autistic way of thinking.
Of course just about anyone is capable of lying to keep from getting in trouble.


Well my autistic way of thinking does not force me to only be completely honest...and its not always to not get in trouble, sometimes I just don't want to talk about certain things. Also I prefer to pick my battles I am not going to point out every little thing someone does that annoys me....even if that means its somewhat dishonest.


Which only indicates that you are a different person, not that Marybird's analysis is wrong. Saying that one person's behavior is an effect of their ASD is not saying every person with ASD will exhibit the same behavior.

By definition, every person with ASD has trouble with social communication. The brutal honesty thing is the OP's expression of that.

Honesty is generally a good thing. Brutality is not. A person could choose to be lovingly honest, tenderly honest, gently honest, or simply honest. Being brutally honest is another choice. That isn't really about honesty, it's more just being a dick.



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08 Jun 2015, 10:15 am

charcoalsketches wrote:
In fact, there are a lot of things that I wish people would stop blaming on Asperger's, but the main thing my wife tends to do a lot is blame my being brutally honest on having Asperger's. I keep trying to tell her having Asperger's has nothing at all to do with it. It's the fact that whatever I say is exactly what I mean. Nothing is sugarcoated for a reason.

When we are old, we find out that lying is wrong...till you find those same people have been lying to you, too. You also grow up finding out that some people hate you jut for being honest, and others do for you lying to them about it. So, what is a wo/man to do when no matter what you do, you can't exactly win the game? You just hand it out. You just be honest, and hope they appreciate you for it. And if they hate you for being brutally honest, then what can you do? That says more about them than it does about you.

Not to mention, that being honest about thins is more therapeutic than people would think. After all, if feels incredibly horrible telling people just things they want to hear because it feels similar to lying.


I appreciate and value frank honesty. I strive for clarity, transparency and openness in all things. This allows a lot of my life to be very simple and low-stress, but it also puts me at odds with many of the people in my life. But the ones who are in my life by my choice understand and appreciate my honesty. But then, I choose to associate with very few people (3, actually). And they're all highly logical; one is a woman who doesn't get upset if I answer 'yes' to the 'does this make me look fat' question because she'd rather look good than feel good in error.


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08 Jun 2015, 11:42 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
Marybird wrote:
I have to be brutally honest with you here. It is the Aspergers.
It's linked to a deficit in Theory of Mind and a compulsion to talk about facts.
Facts are interesting. Manipulating people is not very interesting.
It's an autistic way of thinking.
Of course just about anyone is capable of lying to keep from getting in trouble.


Well my autistic way of thinking does not force me to only be completely honest...and its not always to not get in trouble, sometimes I just don't want to talk about certain things. Also I prefer to pick my battles I am not going to point out every little thing someone does that annoys me....even if that means its somewhat dishonest.

I'm sorry, I think you read too much into my post.
I didn't mean to imply that you don't pick your battles or use good judgment and kindness.
And I certainly don't think that choosing not to talk about certain things is dishonest.
I just meant preference for using language to convey facts instead of a manipulative tool to navigate the social world.



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08 Jun 2015, 12:09 pm

Adamantium wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Marybird wrote:
I have to be brutally honest with you here. It is the Aspergers.
It's linked to a deficit in Theory of Mind and a compulsion to talk about facts.
Facts are interesting. Manipulating people is not very interesting.
It's an autistic way of thinking.
Of course just about anyone is capable of lying to keep from getting in trouble.


Well my autistic way of thinking does not force me to only be completely honest...and its not always to not get in trouble, sometimes I just don't want to talk about certain things. Also I prefer to pick my battles I am not going to point out every little thing someone does that annoys me....even if that means its somewhat dishonest.


Which only indicates that you are a different person, not that Marybird's analysis is wrong. Saying that one person's behavior is an effect of their ASD is not saying every person with ASD will exhibit the same behavior.

By definition, every person with ASD has trouble with social communication. The brutal honesty thing is the OP's expression of that.

Honesty is generally a good thing. Brutality is not. A person could choose to be lovingly honest, tenderly honest, gently honest, or simply honest. Being brutally honest is another choice. That isn't really about honesty, it's more just being a dick.

I was kind of joking when I said that. I don't think ASD people mean to be brutal.



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08 Jun 2015, 1:51 pm

I agree with Marybird.

I like facts much better than manipulation.

I like petting kitty cats better than talking about the latest fashion trends.