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18 Jul 2017, 11:47 pm

I hope lyin' ryan continues to be not as smart as he thinks he is. but there's always the possibility he'd be replaced with somebody even more reptilian. and should pence end up in the oval office, all bets are off.



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20 Jul 2017, 12:16 pm

Various people throughout the administration, including DJT himself, have lied repeatedly. There's no disputing that, right?

I never felt insulted, since I never had a high level of stochastic belief in what they said. The more I think about it, the more I wonder if the right doesn't seem to feel insulted because they have endorsed lying. No one could have believed all those whoppers without feeling played, by now. You've found a way to justify the lying to yourselves, right?


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25 Jul 2017, 12:23 am

Boaty McBoatface. Just sayin'

The internet gave us President Trump. How does it make sense any other way?


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25 Jul 2017, 12:33 am

the need of many stressed-out folk to scapegoat the weak, is what did it IMHO. the utterly counterintuitive results with lab rats subjected to having their feet constantly shocked, was that instead of huddling together in mutual support, the strong rats viciously attacked the weak rats, this showed that the need to scapegoat in bad times, seems to be a trans-human thing.



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25 Jul 2017, 1:22 am

auntblabby wrote:
the utterly counterintuitive results with lab rats subjected to having their feet constantly shocked, was that instead of huddling together in mutual support, the strong rats viciously attacked the weak rats, this showed that the need to scapegoat in bad times, seems to be a trans-human thing.

To be fair to rats, they rarely kill or attack their fellow rats when stressed



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25 Jul 2017, 1:29 am

jrjones9933 wrote:
Boaty McBoatface. Just sayin'

The internet gave us President Trump. How does it make sense any other way?


No.

I'm really sick of this myth.

Fox News gave us Donald Trump. Conservative talk radio gave us Trump. The so-called "liberal news media" was rooting for Clinton.

The internet tried to give us Sanders.

Better luck next time.

EDIT: I just realized that "Better luck next time." is a bad thing to say. Luck is for losers. Go out there and spread the word.


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25 Jul 2017, 1:38 am

cyberdad wrote:
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the utterly counterintuitive results with lab rats subjected to having their feet constantly shocked, was that instead of huddling together in mutual support, the strong rats viciously attacked the weak rats, this showed that the need to scapegoat in bad times, seems to be a trans-human thing.

To be fair to rats, they rarely kill or attack their fellow rats when stressed

'tis why I said "counterintuitive." :flower:



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25 Jul 2017, 1:43 am

I need a way to get a handle on this insanity.

I can't believe anyone would buy such a pig in such a poke.

It's also plausible that people are just bigger meanies overall than I like to contemplate.


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25 Jul 2017, 2:15 am

jrjones9933 wrote:
I need a way to get a handle on this insanity.

I can't believe anyone would buy such a pig in such a poke.


I can totally believe it. It all makes perfect sense.

Latino immigrants are rushing into the United States. People don't know why because the media won't tell us why.

The Middle East is full of Islamic extremism. The media tells us this, but it won't tell us why.

The masses don't know about the system of corporate control, and so they fill in that logical blank with xenophobia.

For a long time, the conservatives have been saying "The liberals won't even address the issue of mass immigration! They won't address the issue of Islamic terrorism! Who will address these issues?" The conservatives are right ... sort of. Corporate liberals refuse to properly address these issues.

Meanwhile, the anti-corporate left has understood these issues for a long time now. When 9/11 happened, Noam Chomsky wasn't surprised at all. He immediately saw the root cause. Chomsky wasn't surprised when Obama betrayed the left. Mainstream liberals were either surprised ... or outright denied that Obama was a corporate tool. Chomsky saw the corporate strings pulling Obama before he was even elected.

The American people voted for Trump because they have been fed lie upon lie.

Sometimes I think that the people who run the "liberal media" don't actually hate Trump. People say "The liberal media is run by idiots! They kept giving Trump attention! Why didn't they just ignore him?"

I'll tell you why. The "liberal media" gave Trump a mountain of attention in order to draw attention away from Sanders. Sanders was the real threat. He was the guy who challenged corporate power. Thus, the "liberal media" didn't launch a hate campaign against him. Instead, they ignored him. They tried to erase him.


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25 Jul 2017, 12:48 pm

^Broadly speaking, I don't disagree.

Trump has none of the qualities of a Boy Scout. Here's proof.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/donald-t ... res-proof/

Boy Scout Law

A Scout is:
Trustworthy,
Loyal,
Helpful,
Friendly,
Courteous,
Kind,
Obedient,
Cheerful,
Thrifty,
Brave,
Clean,
and Reverent.


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25 Jul 2017, 1:07 pm

Remember when Republicans accused Barack Obama of creating a child army?

Its' official. Any Republican who accuses someone else of "indoctrinating children" is a massive hypocrite.


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25 Jul 2017, 1:15 pm

I can't shake the feeling that you somehow consider me a Republican, DMK.


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25 Jul 2017, 1:23 pm

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I can't shake the feeling that you somehow consider me a Republican, DMK.

Nope. I never even thought about it.
You tell me what you are.


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25 Jul 2017, 2:23 pm

I try to be pragmatic about what government can and cannot do. This puts me at odds with a lot of people on both conventional sides of the political spectrum. People on the right want to stop government from doing things it does well, and people on the left want government to do a lot of things that it does badly.

Similarly, I like to spend my vote as efficiently as possible. Since Republicans have moved to completely eschew facts, I've voted Democrat to keep them at bay. I typically support the most logically oriented progressive in the primaries, since I'd rather take back the Democratic party than try to build a new one. I'm open to that, though.

Basically, my posts here represent my politics, and I would probably bristle at oversimplifying them. Like Treebeard, I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on my side.


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25 Jul 2017, 2:30 pm

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People on the right want to stop government from doing things it does well, and people on the left want government to do a lot of things that it does badly.

Explain


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25 Jul 2017, 2:42 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
jrjones9933 wrote:
People on the right want to stop government from doing things it does well, and people on the left want government to do a lot of things that it does badly.

Explain

It would take a course in game theory, and I need to review that material myself. ;-)

I know the guy who invented public choice theory is widely hated, with good reason. His twisted application and his brilliant insight seem separable. Institutions operate in their own self-interest. However, we have a lot more knowledge about the complicated ways self-interest operates due to behavioral economics, and homo economicus is dead, except in the minds of some businesspeople and pundits. After that, it gets really mathy, and would take a few semesters to build up the foundation to explain. If you have that background, you can easily do your own research.

We need to understand our incentive structure better in order to have efficient government. The EPA had lots of problems, but generally has given everyone except the poorest people (money + political power) clean water and air. It should be improved, not destroyed. On the other hand, price controls never work, unless your country produces the commodity in question. Taxes create a very complex set of incentives, which very few political arguments consider through the lens of modern economic science.

Thanks for asking. I feel kind of crappy today, and I have a lot to do, or I'd type more.


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