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01 Jul 2015, 8:04 am

Hi all,

Has anyone had experience with extreme Psychedelic experiences that have ASD?
I'm not talking about small mushroom doses, but high end 'holy crap' experiences, example: people who break through on DMT, and are totally changed after wards.


Any opinions?



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01 Jul 2015, 8:08 am

Haven't tried DMT yet, but Salvia taught me quite some bit... along with other dissociatives and entactogens, although not much further so far...



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01 Jul 2015, 8:12 am

Mootoo wrote:
Haven't tried DMT yet, but Salvia taught me quite some bit... along with other dissociatives and entactogens, although not much further so far...


Very nice, how was the Salvia experience? is it ego ripping like a psychedelic trip? could I take it in a tent by myself?
thanks :)



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01 Jul 2015, 8:15 am

See here. :)

It is ego ripping... you could probably do it alone... first experience is usually jovial, so no risk of injury unless not seated or on a bed.



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01 Jul 2015, 8:17 am

Mootoo wrote:
See here. :)

It is ego ripping... you could probably do it alone... first experience is usually jovial, so no risk of injury unless not seated or on a bed.



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thanks very much.



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01 Jul 2015, 10:37 am

Haven't done DMT, did do LSD a dozen times or so. Had some pretty intense experiences on it from time to time. Never really hallucinated much on it, but did really think in a different way when I was on it. The first time I did it I came to the realization of how pointless much of NT culture is with their pettiness and conformity.



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02 Jul 2015, 11:28 am

I've had several psychedelic experiences on mushrooms and lsd, generally I think they've helped me come to understand the world around me and other people better. I haven't had a huge single effect, but I am a much different person from when I first used them (but since I was 16 at the time I don't know how much of that was just growing up, learning to adjust). I do credit psychedelics for helping me though, I can't say for certain because its been so long and I didn't even know what was wrong when I was younger, but I feel like they have had a positive effect on my life.

As for the question if they can cause a profound change in others, yes, I've seen it in NT's, but I don't know about Aspie's from what I've read LSD doesn't have quite the same effect on us as NT's, and I know it takes a larger dose than most of my friends for me to get real visuals and not just shimmering colors, tracers or seeing the walls breathe. Mushrooms seemed to work on me normally, but we weren't really tracking dosage of those, and I haven't done DMT yet. Probably the biggest experience for me was remembering my childhood on mushrooms, remembering my parents and realizing that for all the things that went wrong they really did try--that let me let go of a lot of resentment and anger towards them.



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02 Jul 2015, 2:05 pm

I haven't tried DMT. I have tried mushrooms several times- and had one very high dose trip (5.2 grams dried cubes). I didn't have a Level 5 - entity contact trip , but a good level 4 trip. It was very spiritual and felt like I was receiving wisdom directly from God- and that the purpose for my life was being told to me. It was like my entire life was being reviewed and certain negatives were being purged. It left a feeling that I had gained wisdom and should act on it- but this feeling went away in a few weeks.

I am not sure if I want to take that high a dose again as I had intense anxiety at the come-up and the body load was intense and "couch locking". I do want to take shrooms again and maybe work myself up to where I can take high doses more comfortably. I also want to try mescaline- which is probably going to be my next psychedelic adventure as I have heard there is relatively low mind f**k and anxiety- its very clear from what people say.

The high dose trip was my first trip ever actually. The came on very strong and it hit me hard. I almost had a panic attack at the start but then it turned into pure bliss and the strongest feeling of contentment you can imagine. As the peak was coming down I felt that I was re-born into a new person with a greater understanding of all the motivations for my desires, and this resulted in a feeling of absolute contentment with any issues that I have had that are not in my control.

I felt anxiety for a few weeks after the trip because I was having an internal struggle where I was trying to keep having the renewed person but still had my old motivations and desires. Of course the entire thing eventually just faded into a memory and went back to normal. I would love to take a high dose again to achieve the complete renewal again but fear the intensity of the trip could cause a very bad experience.



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03 Jul 2015, 2:25 pm

Not yet, but I do intend to try it soon. I had other experiences that felt like it changed me completely just not with DMT.
I did hear about MDMA being used for temporary ASD fix, supposedly it's intended to help you unlearn bad behaviors and be more social.



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16 Oct 2016, 11:57 am

I have taken Cannabis, Synthetic Cannabis (do not recommend, it put me in a timeloop and disassociated me from reality in an unpleasant way), Psylocibe, LSD and one time use of DMT (want to use it again).

I think that I have a very low tolerance for psychedelics
The first time I had one tab of LSD I saw that all of nature is made of eye balls, was trying to come to terms with what it meant to exist, I believed that all my life's experiences were just my imagination, I was trying to understand my place in the universe, whilst in shorts and a t-shirt in the cold night of a bush doof, thinking that it was my place to be eternally suffer in the cold, I kept collapsing, trying to see if I could pass beyond and snuff my ability to be able to experience. During this trip I experienced what it was like to be addicted to heroin, a depressed and lonely homeless person and a narcissistic model. I was trying to be spontaneous, and do something significant of my free will, I sang Jimi Hendrix's Izabella, with all the trills and subtleties till my voice became hoarse. Everything had cosmic significance, I was unable to think about time, I felt like a puddle of ooze till my friend came and scooped me out of the dirt and took me to a tent, (not my tent, as I could not comprehend possessions). This changed me, I let go of a mindset based in lack, and came to accept myself as who I am.

I have had mushroom trips where I enter into a Buddhist-Hindu divine realm, a sort of reality that is hidden in the way that trees and clouds move in the wind. An incredible geometry that relates to any pattern in nature and somehow is able to extract painfully beautiful information from any visual object. I was Ganesha-Shiva-Buddha in sexual union with everything around and in me, non-verbally sharing kindheartedness divinities, roaring a synethesia fractal that contained all the meaning in the universe. This bliss became an inescapable hell of endlessly realising you are God, and being totally alone as you are surrounded by yourself, unable to fix a perfectly broken pattern, causing pain for all the beings around you, when I only had their best interests at heart. I became an off kelter triangle laying in my friends kitchen.

In another mushroom trip I entered the same divine sexual, loving realm in relationship with the whole of everything, roaring mathematics in a public park (I ate the mushrooms growing in bark whist at the park, and was in no state to leave). In this trip I explored what it meant to be a child, and be an adult, how to balance these parts of our personality.
I was transported into the womb of the universe, inside my loving Mother, I could see that I am baby Krishna with infinite love for myself and others, looking at my floating body from different perspectives simultaneously, as if I were in the fourth dimension.
I came back to a mathematical reality that was based in our shared perspectives to see the intricate folds of a policemen's blue rubber glove, they were trying to communicate, but I was not verbal though extremely expressive with my body.
I was lifted into an ambulance and taken to the hospital, fairly disassociated from what being high and riding in an ambulance implies because I was much more interested in feeling my body as we climbed a hill.
My father was at the hospital, visible worried, talking at me about something, I could understand him, but was more interested in the fluorescent shapes that mapped the topology of his face. He looked beautiful beyond description.

I had an LSD trip at a psychedelic bush party, I went walking by myself to get away from the extroverts and music, I noticed that I was following Buddha, unable to ever reach him as his form rolled through the foliage of the trees above my path. I could see that I was being observed disapprovingly by mediators, I let go of their perceptions of me, I could see that these people were being competitively spiritual, clambering all over each other as each tried to reach the highest point of a human mountain, that I was being competitively spiritual. Somehow I let go an dropped through my chest, tumbling out into a reality where I saw desire personified as my lover, I was hyper expressive, with every part of myself performing an elaborate mating ritual, till I noticed I was being filmed by camera men with camera's that don't exist in this world, urging me not to be distracted by them, I let go of their perceptions and entered totally into the experience of my desire, singing the universe. I was suddenly in the centre of the bush doof, coming out of my song, when one young man said that you can't leave us hanging like that, I rolled into another wave of song and hallucinations, becoming an AI in a futuristic virtual reality that combines science and gorgeous art in a Photoshop like program, somehow my song became a perpetual motion machine with energy excess to my needs, spilling into every one nearby.
I contemplated my lover, using her as a meditation object, to try and understand desire and the reason behind things. I saw that she is inescapable, that she is behind every action, whether deem pleasant or unpleasant, every action that we have is unknowingly exalting her. I poured over billions of numbers, searching for all the places I love her.
I began to come down, comfortable-uncomfortableness was becoming uncomfortable. I was getting cold, but I do not want to move from my spot, even after it was time for me to move on.
I made it to a fire pit near my tent, I was trying to read the Doa Te Chin, I could see coherent messages hidden within it's poetry and landscape paintings. I was offered DMT, I had a cone. I had an uncanny experience of getting high at incredible velocity, I was looking at a beautiful young man, as if he were a Greek god, but a thousand times more gorgeous than any art I had ever seen before, I stared at him entranced, looking into his skull at a rotating fluorescent star of David made of pyramids with rounded edges and vertexes.
I eventually came down, and in the morning I wanted to leave very much, I could not wrap my mind around what had happened last night and I could not stand being in an environment where people express their personalities. I became angry with my partner inside all forms and told her I would never speak her name again.

My last big experience was this new years night. I had drunk a large dose of honey and mushroom tea, had a puff of a joint, and put half a tab of LSD under my tongue. I was at a folk festival. Walking with a friend back to camp when I was hit by a Dionysian urge to dance-contort along to my fractal singing. I split from the group accidentally, singing and dancing, moving through different dimensions, standing still as all the ground became covered in writhing snakes, dancing atop their upturned fangs, immune as their venom ran through my veins as blood. I thought that the processing power that lay behind our reality had shrunk to the 7m * 7m square I was dancing within, I was birthing divine humanoids in the patterns of dust, protecting and hatching snakes, accepting that they have a place in nature.
I saw the sun rise several times on new years day, I saw a person enter the river, whist every frame of their movement transforming them from animals to technology as surrealism would be if the things in paintings could continuously transform themselves.
In the morning light I could see huge insects and coiled snakes camouflaged in the bark of trees.



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16 Oct 2016, 3:55 pm

It is almost impossible not to believe that what you are experiencing is real, when you are in the middle of a trip, but now that I am sober I am more critical of these trips, I do not think that just because you can perceive something that it makes it real (with the exception of geometry and the imagination). I do not give much weight to my trips, especially as they are so personal and difficult to communicate. I am more interested in ideas that can be verified by my community.



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16 Oct 2016, 4:10 pm

Don't want to come across as a preacher but I am living proof that psychedelics can be dangerous and seriously f**k you up. You'll never know when it's your turn for your brain to fry.

Also think this thread should be in the adult section.

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16 Oct 2016, 4:15 pm

I second the non endorsement. Can be fun, and give you different perspective, sure, but can permanently mess you up.



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16 Oct 2016, 4:19 pm

TomHolt wrote:
It is almost impossible not to believe that what you are experiencing is real, when you are in the middle of a trip, but now that I am sober I am more critical of these trips, I do not think that just because you can perceive something that it makes it real (with the exception of geometry and the imagination). I do not give much weight to my trips, especially as they are so personal and difficult to communicate. I am more interested in ideas that can be verified by my community.

I've never tried anything, except for 2 puffs at a b'day party decades ago - nothing happened. But I have very strong ideas about perception and I can't resist saying that if you perceive it, it's real on its own terms. Just like that tree over there is a collection of atoms.

Could we attempt a definition of reality? Must consensus reality always rule? Science is not the ultimate authority.

I would love to hear more of your experiences and thoughts.

Also, where I live we're going for legal marijuana. I wonder what to do.



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16 Oct 2016, 4:24 pm

SaveFerris wrote:
Don't want to come across as a preacher but I am living proof that psychedelics can be dangerous and seriously f**k you up. You'll never know when it's your turn for your brain to fry.

Also think this thread should be in the adult section.

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Why should we hide this warning from kids? Shouldn't they have true info to decide with? It would be so worth it to let them hear from you than some dealer.



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16 Oct 2016, 4:28 pm

Stupid question time - we are talking about only psychedelics? Is marijuana a psychedelic? What are the things that are not psychedelic?