How do you interact with people with Down's Syndrome?

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I do disagree with the government enforcing eugenics upon the populace. Left Wing societies tend to disregard the needs of the individual in favor of faceless utilitarianism.

Aren't most of them left wing societies? Right Wing usually do the same thing, but for "religion".

That's why I'm no longer political...and what does this have anything to do with DS?

Does it matter? Can a person with Autism be one (no)? Can someone with AS be one, yes, but it's very rare.

Zoonic,

Adaptive functioning is how you adapt to society in vocational pursuits, academia and social functioning, which is the baseline for how well someone can adapt to society. And you're incorrect again, as it's Europe and Australia that lumps people with HFA into AS (both have the same level of intelligence, which is why they do it), whereas the US uses the standardized DSM-IV-TR (which uses language development, among other things).

So again, if people with AS can't adapt as well as someone with DS in today's society, how does that make AS any better than DS? Not to mention that it's morally unsound to base someone's right to life on a disorder they do or don't have.

I can easily say that said person with DS that's independent is far more deserving of life than a leech such as yourself, but that's incorrect, as it's your disorder that makes you how you are.

What does this have to do with DS? Forced eugenics has been advocated in the thread. I was simply pointing out that most left wing societies have no regard for the individual and only care for the perceived good of the collective.

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Yeah, but wouldn't that fit more into the political forum?

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I'm not talking to you; it was to Zoonic. Take your own advice with the reading comprehension.

I can, as medicine is one of my special interests. My AS never affected me academically.

You still don't get it.

DS will always be handicapped and challenged in ANY society, whether it exists or not. Asperger people can function well if society is suited to them. DS is a malformity, AS isn't.

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i dont treat people with down syndrome any different then i treat an NT, i treat any person with any type of disability the same as everybody else. My cousin has down syndrome, hes da coolest ever! When he comes over i notice he treats me differently the others, almost like he knows im autistic, its weird.

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It relates to some of the responses I have seen in this topic.

It won't be left wing societies that start paying for tailor made babies. It will be american upper class families in New England and Hollywood celebrities. In 100 years these people will pay private enterprises to tailor make their babies and this will be the beginning of the end for people with down's and autism. The left wing countries will scream in rage when this process starts but nothing will stop it and it will inevitably lead to all the disabled people being born in the third world and among the lower classes. In the end, the people who migrate to space will be those who once had the money to pay private companies to perfect their DNA.

Upper class families and Hollywood celebrities typically tend to be socially liberal.

I actually do, as people with AS will be handicapped and challenged in any society, as society is based on social functioning; people with AS are seriously disabled in regards to social functioning, so they'll always be disabled, no matter the society it is. A society is a complex based on social relations, and those with DS aren't as profoundly affected as even the mildest forms of autism in regards to social functioning.

Now, if you were to say that people with AS could function well in a mechanical collective, something like a hive where specialisation is desired, yes, someone with AS will function well if their specialisation is useful to the collective.

Humans aren't insects.

People with AS can function as long as the social rules aren't the same as in the current society. Far from everyone with AS have a specialization.

You're talking out of your ass, seriously. "Any" society? Not every society is like 19th century America and onward.

Imagine this scenario. Feudal Europe, a village of neurotypical peasants... All of a sudden the golden carriage of mad Prince X, an aspie, rolls into the village square. These neurotypicals wouldn't care less if the prince looked them in the eyes or not. They would bow and fear the wrath of the mad prince and do everything he said no matter how absurd it seemed. The prince on the other hand would be free to pursue his interests as an artist, fencer and archeologist without the mob interfering. The NT mob would be happy as long as they could have sex in the barn, food on the table and occasional cheap boozing. Just like any fundamental NT (or Down's person) regardless of the development level of society. Who says society can't be suited to aspies?

In fact countless people in power over the centuries have had AS. In ancient times the rate was probably even higher. How many leading historical people had Down's? Zero, not a single one. So please stop the bullshitting. Aspies can function in a lot of societies where mob rule (America, declaration of independance etc) isn't how things are structured. Not every society has to have middle-classes, jocks and vainful neurotypicals controlling their own fate by becoming unethical Wall Street people. In fact, in a lot of non-democratic societies, depending on birthright, the survival rate of aspies would be dramatically higher and they wouldn't at all be handicapped.