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22 Jun 2016, 1:09 pm

Deltaville wrote:
The poster's claim that I quoted is incorrect in relation to relativity.

There are some elements that kinda make sense as he was trying to make a point.

However, the "single layer" universe thing doesn't seem to make sense. Perhaps he poorly worded his thoughts, and meant something else? I do that sometimes.

By the way, your avatar is unbearably cute! :3


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23 Jun 2016, 2:13 pm

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Or the mindbender that a subset of infinity is itself infinite even though it's smaller. 8O



The set of odd numbers is smaller than the set of whole numbers. But both are infinity.


It is very easy to map the set of whole numbers onto the odd numbers and the odd numbers onto the whole numbers.

Therefore, there is a 1:1 correspondence between the two sets and thus both have the same number of elements.

Consider this:

The odd numbers are the positive integers not divisible by 2: { 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, ... }
The Whole numbers are the postive integers and 0: { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, ... }

Let O be the set of odd numbers and W be the set of whole numbers.

Define f :W->O by f(x)=2x+1 for all x in W. Since for every x in W, there is an f(x) in W, we have that |O| >= |W|.

Define g:O->W by g(y)=(y-1)/2 for all y in O. Since for every y in O, there is a g(y) in W, we have that |O|<=|W|.

Thus, |O|=|W|.

Even then, there is still infinite that are bigger that other. Take the natural numbers; 1,2,3,4,5,6... and so on. There is a infinity of natural numbers. Yet, only by adding a decimal; 0.1, 0.2, 0.3, 0.4, 0.5, .... and so on, you are multiplying that infinite by ten. And you can multiply this result by ten a infinite number of times. There is a infinity of infinite.



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23 Jun 2016, 5:14 pm

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Another theory is that the Void is infinite, and that our universe is expanding into it. There may or may not be other universes in the same Void, but they are either too far away for their light to have reached us yet, or they had already decayed into nothingness before our universe came into being.


Nope. Space is expanding. That is what so-called Dark Energy is all about.


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24 Jun 2016, 2:33 pm

It would probably surprise people to know that every closed segment of the real line has precisely the same number of points as any other closed line segment regardless of the length of the two line segments.

For example, [0,1] has the same number of points as [0,2]

Define f:[0,1]->[0,2] by f(x)=2x.

Then f maps every point in [0,1] to a point in [0,2] and so [0,2] has at least as many points as [0,1].

Similarly, define g:[0,2]->[0,1] by f(x)=x/2.

Then g maps every point in [0,2] to a point in [0,1] and thus [0,1] has at least as many points as [0,2].

Therefore, since there are as many points in [0,1] as [0,2] and as many points in [0,2] as in [0,1], both line segments, [0,1] and [0,2], have the same number of points.



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23 Jul 2016, 4:31 pm

BaalChatzaf wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Another theory is that the Void is infinite, and that our universe is expanding into it. There may or may not be other universes in the same Void, but they are either too far away for their light to have reached us yet, or they had already decayed into nothingness before our universe came into being.


Nope. Space is expanding. That is what so-called Dark Energy is all about.


There is no such thing as a void. Space and time is all there is. It cannot 'expand' into the void. If we represent dark energy in the Friedmann equations (as lambda, the cosmological constant) you can see it is causing an accelerated expansion of space, via minimizing the critical density ratio (p/pc). Thus, matter is become less and less commonplace, and is instead replaced by an expanding vacuum.


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24 Jul 2016, 5:37 am

If we lived in an infinite universe, then the heat death would have happened infinitely long ago.


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08 Aug 2016, 9:27 pm

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If its infinite it's just 'there'. Infinite can't be measured.


Yes it can. There are different magnitudes of infinite. Look of Cantor Set Theory.

For example there are more real numbers than there are integers.


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09 Aug 2016, 9:05 am

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If we lived in an infinite universe, then the heat death would have happened infinitely long ago.


Not necessarily.

A finite sized universe reaches heat death in finite length of time.

An infinite sized universe would take an infinite amount of time to reach entropy. So it balances out.



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16 Aug 2016, 2:28 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
If we lived in an infinite universe, then the heat death would have happened infinitely long ago.


Not necessarily.

A finite sized universe reaches heat death in finite length of time.

An infinite sized universe would take an infinite amount of time to reach entropy. So it balances out.


Nope.


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