Scantily clad female characters

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Do you want them shot or imprisoned?

I used Anita as an example as she is the one with some sort of intellectual backing and since female depictions in video games are her wheelhouse. Isn't that what this thread is titled for?

Ignore him. His style of debate is to introduce "Red Herrings" to divert attention away from the core topic, and then deprecate his opponents' arguments as irrelevant.

We all know that women who protest against sexism in general are often the recipients of intimidation, condescension, or both from men. Women who protest against blatant misogyny from men are often targets of threats - harassment, rape, and murder - from men who seem to feel more "manly" when they can force women into submission and silence.

Those men are pitiful indeed. Stand up to even one of them in person and watch them go all apologetic and defensive. So they hide behind their Twitter accounts to threaten women with beatings, mutilation, rape, torture, and the most hideous deaths imaginable.

If I were a moderator, I would ban any member who openly expresses misogyny or misandry, and not lose a moment's sleep over it.

Are you talking to me or at me? If you want to debate then debate, don't be a coward. I didn't take this 'off topic', every post I've made in here has been in response to someone else. I wasn't the first to mention Anita Sarkeesian, Gamergate, harassment, any of that. Perhaps I'm just mistaken by your vague butthurt responses and you're speaking about Skibz888, I'd say don't be too hard on him since I like him and enjoy responding to his posts. He did his best on the wrong side of an argument, at least he tried to defend his position.

Forgive me for taking your side, then.

I'm outta here.

Are you being sarcastic? I honestly don't know. I don't know what side you are on, your posts confuse me so I apologize if that wasn't your intention altho I'm not sure how I am suppose to tell that from your posts. Tolerance is key, we all have to learn(myself included) that there are people in the world with differing opinions on certain things than our own and we need to try to understand how they came that view since it is probably understandable from their perspective since people typically advocate for their own self-interest. I try to be civil when I talk to people, I figure you catch more flies with honey than you do vinegar. There is no point hurling insults at each other, it accomplishes nothing. Being blunt isn't an identity in of itself, it isn't even really a positive character trait, being blunt all the time is just being an as*hole. You can disagree with someone without taking it personally, you can disagree with someone without thinking they're the embodiment of Satan.

No, it isnt enabling. I think you mistake what some of us here are saying.

I often use the phrase "I know someone" or "I know of someone" or something along that lines when speaking. But, and this is important, it DOESNT automatically mean "I know and am friends with someone". Oh, it CAN mean that, sure. But typically, it can also mean "this is a person I encounter from time to time". I could absolutely hate that person's guts and still say that "Oh, I know them". I knew half of my damn highschool, for instance.... though I only befriended about 4 of them. But... I knew so many of the others more than well enough to count.

So I'm not sure about the others here, but when *I* said that, I also meant MOST GAMERS I'VE RUN INTO. I dont have to know them as "friends". But when you encounter someone enough... like them or loathe them... you learn a bit about them, and that fulfills my requirement for saying "I know them".

In other words, when I said that up above, I didnt mean just among my own small circle of friends.... obviously, I dont hang with anyone that would be such an ass towards others, women or otherwise. No, I meant a much, MUCH larger group. Even among that group, I've not met any that would condone any of that crap. And I tend to meet alot of gamers as a whole, because reasons.

Sorry, I just wanted to point that out, since I've heard that one thrown around once before, and I get people taking the wrong impressions from things I say pretty damn frequently. Part of why I dont speak much IRL, really.

Either way though, I cant imagine that anyone in this thread accepts or condones or supports any of that nasty crap whatsoever. Or anyone that does it.

I like scantily clad female characters as much as any other guy, but I think that if we have so many scantily clad females, we should also have more scantily clad males to make things fair. Girls deserve fanservice too!

What? Want who? Sorry, but I have literally no idea what you're talking about. I think we're on two completely different subjects here.



This thread has veered so wildly on and off topic it's hard to figure out what anything's about anymore. Anita is a key figure in GamerGate, but her status doesn't make her wholly representative of women in gaming, and that's what GamerGate intended to do: shed some light on the female gaming demographic and the issues which affect them. Of course Ms. Sarkeesian covers that subject in her work, but I'm not drawing anything from that: I was merely using her and Zoe Quinn's in-person harassment as an example of how far sexist extremism can go.

I apologize if my tone came off as terse; I don't mean to be argumentative, I just get worked up over issues of sexism, racism, prejudice, etc., and even more so when I perceive any trace of that mentality. I actually left WrongPlanet for several months after there was a similar thread (which I didn't contribute to) where some men agreed that making rape jokes was okay. That sort of stuff appalls me...like genuinely kind of horrifies me. I'm sure your intentions were purely innocent, but when I'm going off about the moral reprehensibility of rape threats and I get responses dismissing it as a joke or listing reasons why the recipients are supposedly problematic people, I can't help but interpret that as being an excuse or justification of sorts. Rape is a touchy, controversial topic...sometimes it's necessary to tiptoe around it, because in instances like this, you never know who can be offended by it.

One thing's for true: I'm certainly not touching hot-button issues on this site anymore. I had far less headaches when all my posts were just about bodily functions and '70s rock bands.

Whatever. Don't sweat it, it's no fun if everybody agrees with you. As I said, I liked that you engaged even if I disagreed. I've commented on hot button issues on here for years now, I find it stimulating and a good way to take my mind off whatever might be going in my life at the time. Current events are a special interest of mine. I imagine I'd probably have more friends on here if I stuck to talking about music and just partaking in counting games too. For a lot of people it seems politics has become a secular religion and you're not going to debate when you think you have God on your side literally or figuratively.

PPR isn't so bad tho, Love and Dating is probably the most bitter and angry place on this site.

Dudes clad solely in tiny metal codpieces! Where the sacred manhood is protected in Elven-forged armor, and held in place by enchanted leather thongs.

But yeah, if a game has scantily clad females, they should have scantily clad males, and alternately if they have practically dressed males, they should have practically dressed females. It would be cool to have an option, so that those that want to have a character scantily clad can, and those that don't, can choose otherwise.

Yeah, that makes me uncomfortable too. I don't have to go further than my beloved favorite games of all time: Pokemon. Why does the female character you can play show off so much skin compared to the male? Why can't she just wear the same clothes as he does (which are always much nicer anyway, but that's beside the point).
Its some thing that annoys (and kinda disgusts) me.

I think the excuse often given is that supposedly most gamers are male, and seeing a scantily clad female is 'enjoyable.' However, seeing another male done in this same manner (scantily clad) isn't enjoyable, because it would look too 'homoerotic' which makes many men squirm (even though this scantily clad male would mainly be fanservice to the ladies.)

Personally, I'd love it to be choice of whether to have a character be scantily clad (male or female) although if it came down to one, I'd want practical clothing. Nothing breaks immersion worse then seeing a woman running around in the dead of winter with snow on the ground clad in nothing but a fur bikini and some tiny bits of metal 'armor.'

I did not deny that women face sexism...I just pointed out its not specifically an issue of the gaming community, I think general sexism that exists can seep into things like gamer culture. Basically I don't think the issue comes from gaming specifically...and based on personal experience of gaming I can say I personally have not run into or seen much specific sexism. Basically as a female 'gamer' I regularly play an online multiplayer game called League Of Legends, I do not feel threatened by fellow male gamers or like they are specifically more sexist than any other groups I've interacted with. So my point was I personally don't feel 'threatened' as a female gamer so I its probably inaccurate for an article to suggest female gamers across the board feel threatened and offended by the typical 'gamer' demographic when I'm probably not the only one.

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Well I say that even if it is not a problem "of" the gaming community it is still a problem "in" the gaming community. There are undoubtedly parts of the community where it is practically non-existent, but there are places where it is still a problem, otherwise there would not be such horrible messages sent to women involved in scandals to get what they do. Maybe some like me are pushing thoughts too hard, but I believe that the gaming community can better ourselves before many other parts of society because we are a largely younger people who can interact with each other around the world, and with our minds not our bodies.

This meeting of minds is what Gaming can really bring from the multiplayer experiences, and if our vessels for our meeting of minds are skewed wrong with gender representation, then we are poisoning ourselves. There could even be no problem with scantily clad female characters being a part, but then we also have to accept the male version too. If a good portion of male gamers like scantily clad women, then what is the equivalent for you ladies.

And what is damning is you can find a huge amount of male gamers saying that gaming is a boys club because that is what numbers say. Even if the numbers point to the statistic of more female gamers playing "casual games", that does not mean we cannot join our two genders together more, in fact it is pointing to a problem. And truth is that there has been a barrier for entry that has prevented the games that bring about the games to make it fair, and as the user base we should be respecting some equality.

It's a problem in every community...because its a larger problem in society. Also lots of people play video games, all different kinds of people, people with professional careers even. And I suppose if imagery in a game bothers me I wont play that game...but I don't really care if other people do. Also we can't exactly just force more females into gaming if they don't enjoy it...I mean it certainly should not be discouraged for them to play but you can't force a higher demographic of a group. So it also should be looked at how many don't play video games because they feel social pressure not to, where the social pressure comes from, or if it's a lack of interest in which case all developers could really do is attempt to make games that are more appealing to females...even a lot of girls prefer female characters that look 'attractive' so they can't tone them down too much. But I don't think forcing already existing games to alter their characters and change their story-lines is the right approach.