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03 Sep 2015, 6:35 am

Angela Merkel has destroyed inter relations in Europe, and has turned over the migrant crisis to suit the pleasure of her own company, because she enjoys alienating other countries who have tried to resolve the issues surrounding ISIS attacks on the West and on our own military resources, that were implemented to protect innocent people in their own homes and not let the government set up a military stand and watch scheme depicting ISIS propaganda, making sure the middle east is a hell hole to be in and resorting to making us look bad.
Muslims in my Island, Great Britain, want to appear as big crusaders in their miserable plight of injustice that isn’t resolved by one tactical strength alone. If its so bad here, wait till you go back home.
We want to cut our number of migrants down exactly because they’ve resorted to common assaults on us, when we’ve let them into our country to follow a life of peace, not follow an interrogatory regime which mutilates and destroys. They’ve culturally amassed themselves into it. Thinking its all real, when its not, its just another phoney war to get at us. If you’re thinking of beckoning yourself into a mass grave, that would be the way to do it.
Thanks for manipulating us, not for religious beliefs, but for getting a timeless thrill out of it.
This type of sadism is not known to us and ridicules our human resources, that we’ve set up to avoid unholy wars such as this.
I’m aware why migrants are fleeing their traditional homeland, but maybe they ought to fight back and stop the West from dictating their own battles for them. It is their war, one that began in their country and they should take up arms. As they live by the gun , let them decide their own fate and reform their own broken censorship.



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03 Sep 2015, 8:34 pm

Germany, in all fairness, is opening it's doors to refugees because of the ghost of Adolf Hitler still haunts them.
And to think, this situation arose because Britain and it's allies had chosen to punish Germany after WWI - a war they were hardly responsible for - giving rise to the Nazis.
Besides, what's wrong with helping desperate people in need?


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04 Sep 2015, 2:04 pm

What is wrong with helping people in need?

The young men coming in from Africa, have nothing to do with Middle East problems. They are invaders.

The food, bed, medical care of jail is a reward to them.

There are billions of people in worse shape, women, children, and there is not enough space in Europe for them, or money to fund them.

In a very short time the population of Africa, Southeast Asia, South America will double.

It is like Ebola, it was a problem, it tried to spread, but when it was finally attacked at the source, troops sent in to build hospitals, medical staff brought in, it was contained in months.

There are safe places in Turkey, Jordan where there are camps, that lack food, water, shelter, medical care.

There are a lot of displaced people in Syria. There are areas that can be secured, made safe, where people could get the aid they need.

Swimming to Europe should not be a test of who needs aid.

Young men, teens, twenties, should be put to work building shelters, hospitals, where the need is.

ISIS claims they have sent 4,000 fighters into Europe so far.

ISIS and people smugglers are running this invasion of Europe.

The young men fleeing Syria, are terrorists that lost their funding, or draft dodgers. None of them will ever be able to return.

Pork eating, drinking, Northern Europeans are seen as less than animals by Islam. They have a Holy Duty to kill them.

A lot of the invaders are West African, not Islamic, who have some very different beliefs. They also have a high level of HIV, and other gifts of the tropics. World wide, the darker the skin, the higher the murder rate.

If that is what Europe wants, we of the American South have all the Africans you could ever want. They almost speak English. Ours are Ebola free.

Eastern Europe is resisting, looking to Russia, to form some White Union.

The European Union looks as stable as Ukraine, and just as likely to break into Civil War.



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04 Sep 2015, 2:35 pm

I have to agree that most of these migrants are economic, not political refugees. They are just using the crisis de jure to remove themselves to a more favorable situation. These people, be they Mexican, West African, Syrian, whatever, need to stay home and clean up their own houses. They come into other countries that have a totally different culture and then expect the hosts to kowtow to them.

As far as the U.K., France, etc. causing the rise of Hitler, you could lay some of the blame at the feet of the French, but I believe that a good deal of the fault lies with Wilson. By insisting that the Allies not negotiate the peace with the monarchies that started the war, he ended up discrediting the Social Democrats and encouraging the fall of the Weimar Republic. This, in turn, lead to the Nazis, which now has lead the Germans into a knee jerk reaction that will be severely detrimental to their country and culture.


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04 Sep 2015, 5:05 pm

In point of fact, Inventor, the father of the 3yo boy who washed up dead on the beach did in fact return to Syria and bury his wife and child.



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04 Sep 2015, 5:35 pm

Agencies that place migrant occupation above our own and create friction within trade union rights, confliction through minor work that should be carried out fairly and within civil means.
I mean, why should there even be a distinction and why do we have unfair dismissal or workers rights when the public are free to dismiss themselves if they deem it a legal responsibility.

If you live in England, or any other part of the British Isles, you’d soon see what I mean.
If people are joining this thread who are American, then they should think twice before spreading radicalisation insults and national threats about us trying to sustain our border control which has elapsed over several years and has more to do with government waste through our tax system than anything else.
What do you know about the migration in my Island? Nothing. You’re too busy getting rid of Jews in your country to care and instead of helping us solve the problem, which we have our own to deal with, you think its our responsibility, because we’ve given plenty of aid in the past.
Nobody else has ever done a thing before, and through a miracle, Germany is adopting our own strategy to redeem their past and right further wrongs.

To be honest right, people in my country, are simply working hard, to give their own families food on the table, because the price of living has sky rocketed and not even to renew their television licenses or pay for an MOT, because all their tax goes straight into third world aid. Do the people there get to see a penny of it? No, because the money which is supposed to go into shelter and food, gets used by the government to fund an infrastructure that’s built on non industry, nothing. Nobody sees a penny of it. It probably goes straight into prostitution, and hostage situations where the government are forced by ISIS to shut up and pay smugglers to illegally transport people over where they take all the money they’ve made from illegal activity to fund a new recruitment and artillery programme.

We don’t want our people siding with ISIS, and we’ve spent so much money helping a cause that is suddenly fleeing persecution, no one can keep track of economic migration into Europe and people smuggling and.. David Cameron is right. If we can’t rescue innocent migrants from war torn zones or offer them safe passage then the money isn’t being well spent at all, because another 100 million pounds has gone out to the camps in aid, to fund the Syrian crisis, which is all going to get ransomed, by ISIS people smugglers. Have you ever fled through the Mediterranean on a rubber dinghy before?
You wouldn’t unless you were desperate and I think Greece and Germany are getting what’s due to them.
They have gaps in employment, well take on a million refugees and restore your starving economy.
Maybe then, we’ll see some bigger investors, hoping to restore some of Britain’s previous industries and there’ll be more employment generated from more benefactors, because China has crashed their stock market and soon trading will cease anyway. Sell up and move on. It always happens.
If you want a starving economy, come to Britain, if you want to risk your life by climbing on trains and hiding under a bonnet, come to Britain, but if you’re a responsible refugee, who is trying to enter Europe, with your family wait, as we can’t bring you a long term solution, and there are other countries about to make that possible for you.
I have compassion and empathy, but I’ve seen the devastation it brings too, and nobody wants that to depict the start or end of their life.


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04 Sep 2015, 10:15 pm

Hans Rosling puts the numbers in perspective.



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04 Sep 2015, 10:41 pm

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I have to agree that most of these migrants are economic, not political refugees. They are just using the crisis de jure to remove themselves to a more favorable situation. These people, be they Mexican, West African, Syrian, whatever, need to stay home and clean up their own houses. They come into other countries that have a totally different culture and then expect the hosts to kowtow to them.

As far as the U.K., France, etc. causing the rise of Hitler, you could lay some of the blame at the feet of the French, but I believe that a good deal of the fault lies with Wilson. By insisting that the Allies not negotiate the peace with the monarchies that started the war, he ended up discrediting the Social Democrats and encouraging the fall of the Weimar Republic. This, in turn, lead to the Nazis, which now has lead the Germans into a knee jerk reaction that will be severely detrimental to their country and culture.


As a matter of fact, I absolutely agree with you about Wilson. Not only was his domestic policy ultimately a failure, but he had also had instigated such a regressive domestic policy that had targeted German Americans, socialists, organized labor, and even blacks (for some indecipherable reason), that there was a far right wing backlash in America, which saw the first red scare, an increase in lynchings of African Americans (Wilson had praised that cinematic travesty, Birth Of A Nation) and the rebirth of the Ku Klux Klan.
But as for the Syrian refugees fleeing only economic problems - actually, they are escaping terror and death being showered on them by both the Assad regime, and ISIS.


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04 Sep 2015, 10:44 pm

Inventor wrote:
What is wrong with helping people in need?

The young men coming in from Africa, have nothing to do with Middle East problems. They are invaders.

The food, bed, medical care of jail is a reward to them.

There are billions of people in worse shape, women, children, and there is not enough space in Europe for them, or money to fund them.

In a very short time the population of Africa, Southeast Asia, South America will double.

It is like Ebola, it was a problem, it tried to spread, but when it was finally attacked at the source, troops sent in to build hospitals, medical staff brought in, it was contained in months.

There are safe places in Turkey, Jordan where there are camps, that lack food, water, shelter, medical care.

There are a lot of displaced people in Syria. There are areas that can be secured, made safe, where people could get the aid they need.

Swimming to Europe should not be a test of who needs aid.

Young men, teens, twenties, should be put to work building shelters, hospitals, where the need is.

ISIS claims they have sent 4,000 fighters into Europe so far.

ISIS and people smugglers are running this invasion of Europe.

The young men fleeing Syria, are terrorists that lost their funding, or draft dodgers. None of them will ever be able to return.

Pork eating, drinking, Northern Europeans are seen as less than animals by Islam. They have a Holy Duty to kill them.

A lot of the invaders are West African, not Islamic, who have some very different beliefs. They also have a high level of HIV, and other gifts of the tropics. World wide, the darker the skin, the higher the murder rate.

If that is what Europe wants, we of the American South have all the Africans you could ever want. They almost speak English. Ours are Ebola free.

Eastern Europe is resisting, looking to Russia, to form some White Union.

The European Union looks as stable as Ukraine, and just as likely to break into Civil War.


They're human beings fleeing for their lives. That alone is the best reason for helping them.
As for the Syrian refugees being terrorists - as a matter of fact, they are fleeing from the certain death assured them by both Assad and ISIS.


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04 Sep 2015, 10:46 pm

I don't see the problem. Most can take care of themselves as long as they get a job.



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05 Sep 2015, 6:17 am

What's a better use of resources - accepting people who have come across the Mediterranean into our own countries (on which I agree with Inventor, we should *not* be deciding who gets aid based on whether they're physically in Europe or not), or providing resources to refugee camps in Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria? Bear in mind that the people in the latter will include those too weak or poor to make the crossing.

Privileging those who cross the Med is only going to send one message - Europe will only help you if you get here. Which is a great way to ensure that more people drown. If there's going to be any resettlement, it should be taken from the camps. Take those fished from the Med back, and tell them to wait their turn.

In the medium term, we should look at charter cities on some of the Greek islands, run by Germany and Britain. Longer term, helping the establishment of independent cities across Africa and the Middle East, protected by Western airpower.



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05 Sep 2015, 8:01 am

in the future, the concept of "who was here first" (in a regional heritage sense) will be moot because the population will be global. germans feel ownership over their land and french do as well etc, but in the fullness of time, the genetics of humanity will become homogeneous and there will be no clear cut local heritage. it will be like every country is simply a state of the global nation.
it will be a long time in the future however, and before then there will be floods if ingressions and equalizations of racial distinctions just like pressure zones in the weather patterns will always squall and buffet and congeal in their own ways.

but the equilibrium that is never attained in the weather system will be attained in the "genetic system" (human) over a time that is only perhaps 1000 more years.

i am glad i will not live to see any of it happen.



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05 Sep 2015, 9:43 am

b9 wrote:
in the future, the concept of "who was here first" (in a regional heritage sense) will be moot because the population will be global. germans feel ownership over their land and french do as well etc, but in the fullness of time, the genetics of humanity will become homogeneous and there will be no clear cut local heritage. it will be like every country is simply a state of the global nation.
it will be a long time in the future however, and before then there will be floods if ingressions and equalizations of racial distinctions just like pressure zones in the weather patterns will always squall and buffet and congeal in their own ways.


Logical.

I find it slightly interesting that people distinguish between economic migrants and refugees fleeing violence as if the second group was more "deserving" when basic economic theory makes economic migration inevitable. The current phase of economic globalization permits the almost free flow of capital, but imposes all sorts of limits on the free flow of labor. To resist the natural flow of labor along the gradients created by wealth inequalities is to battle an unstoppable force. It's been understood since Adam Smith. Resistance is futile.



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05 Sep 2015, 4:05 pm

Magneto wrote:

In the medium term, we should look at charter cities on some of the Greek islands, run by Germany and Britain. Longer term, helping the establishment of independent cities across Africa and the Middle East, protected by Western airpower.


Considering the problems the West caused, plus local historic problems, and the future problems of populations outrunning food, water, and space, containment cities are a great idea.

Sub Saharan Africa is going to soon produce an extra two billion people more than they have food, water, shelter for.

Twelve million Syrians are displaced inside and out of Syria. A city the size of New York would do.

The UN has been cutting food rations for those in the camps due to lack of funds.

The CIA has been using the camps to train anti terrorist terrorist.

It would be a lot cheaper to fund feeding people where they are, also medical care, and some propane before winter returns.

Taking Refugees only through the camps would stop the flow of who knows what to Europe.

Women, children, old people, the ill, airlifted to Europe, better treatment of people in camps, building real hospitals and schools, is frontline humanitarian.

People talk about Europe being overrun, Lebanon is half Syrian, and it was a refugee camp to start with.

Want to play dirty? Fix Lebanon. Water, sewer, roads, hospitals, schools, build some modern cities, factories, and pump up employment and income. It will be cheaper, refugees will be welcome, as jobs producers, and what Germany will spend on 800,000 in a year would transform the country.

Rebuilding Syria is on hold, if they fell Lebanon would be the front line. A Europoor level of prosperity, Universities, Hospitals, basic sanitation and public health, and they would stand out.

If we are defending our way of life, support it in other countries.



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05 Sep 2015, 5:00 pm

b9 wrote:
in the future, the concept of "who was here first" (in a regional heritage sense) will be moot because the population will be global. germans feel ownership over their land and french do as well etc, but in the fullness of time, the genetics of humanity will become homogeneous and there will be no clear cut local heritage. it will be like every country is simply a state of the global nation.
it will be a long time in the future however, and before then there will be floods if ingressions and equalizations of racial distinctions just like pressure zones in the weather patterns will always squall and buffet and congeal in their own ways.

but the equilibrium that is never attained in the weather system will be attained in the "genetic system" (human) over a time that is only perhaps 1000 more years.

i am glad i will not live to see any of it happen.


Existing nationalities today exist only because of melting pot processes that had been going on since prehistoric times. The genetic makeup in a country can differ from place to place, but they have unity through language, and in some cases, religion, which defines their nation. Doubtlessly in the long ago, there had been real tension between Celts and the Germanic interlopers who came to live among them (often by means of violent colonization) in Iron Age Germany and the Netherlands, and later Britain. Or how there had been tension between the Neolithic-Bronze Age farmers and the invading Indo-European horsemen in Scandinavia. Or for that matter, how the hunter-gatherer Cro Magnons probably hadn't looked kindly on the Middle Eastern farmers who had expanded into Europe through the Balkans. But just the same, one language predominated, and with it, came a common sense of ethnicity out of which nationhood in historic times had grown out of. The newcomers from Syria will eventually become absorbed into the existing European populaces, and become just another ingredient in the melting pot.


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05 Sep 2015, 5:06 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
The genetic makeup in a country can differ from place to place, but they have unity through language, and in some cases, religion, which defines their nation.

A box within a box analysis (all this within borders).