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29 Sep 2015, 5:16 am

Again and again we get these threads on the General forum, and perhaps instead of starting to respond to these from scratch each time, over and over, this piece is as good a summary as any, and may be useful for future threads making the same inquiry.

I tend to suspect that some of the threads by new members - not all - are actually 'plants' by Autism Speaks sympathisers, trying to create a platform to advocate their toxic values. Either way, this link seems to me an appropriate (and energy saving) response:

http://ownshrink.com/neurodiversity/aut ... onal-gain/



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02 Oct 2015, 10:59 pm

I've actually talked to someone there and was going to do a story on them. I talked to more than just someone who answered the phone. They aren't terrible and they aren't trying to do what you think they are trying to do. Not at all.

There is nothing wrong with Autism Speaks. They do not want to force a cure, but they do want to find one and make it available. Many people with autism want one and parents of kids who are non verbal and barely communicate would LOVE a way to help their child be more able to communicate and function and have less symptoms. They aren't talking about doing away with aspies. It's not eugenics, it's not forced anything.

Before you jump on the paranoia bandwagon, do actual research for yourself. More than just reading crap on the internet. I have autism and I'm totally fine with Autism Speaks. I've done my due diligence. Have you?


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03 Oct 2015, 2:36 am

It is not the average employee or PR person that will give you the answer. Even John Robinson who resigned said the employees there are good caring people who want to do right by autistics. The answer boils down to what is in the minds of the board members and the Wright's which is unknowable

Without knowledge of thier minds one can only go by thier actions and what the research money is bieng used for. As far as research money the people investigating them do not seem to have resources to investigate them properly and those organizations that do have the resources have not done so. But we still can judge there overall actions the last 10 years and I find them much more harmful then helpful for autistics for the reasons many have given.


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03 Oct 2015, 2:46 am

There should be a sticky with the pro and cons and everyones arguments, plus credible sources.

Personally, I want a cure, but I don't think Autism Speaks is a clean company and have a big problem with the direction of their research programs. They spent over $45mil in 2013 on program expenses and that same year, they were on the anti-vaccine train. Today, despite finally changing their stance, their scientific program outline still makes mention of vaccines. They're either pissing away money on bad research or that money is going into pockets. Either way, it means the organization is incompetent in their mission.

The sad thing is that this isn't uncommon theme with charities these days. Charities like the Red Cross and Clinton Foundation are being busted for dubious handling of finances. I recall earlier this year 4 cancer charities, together worth over a billion dollars and ran by the same guy, were closed due to fraud.

Sadly, we're living in an age where you have to be careful about who you give your money to. There are better charities out there who are more transparent and more competent with their research goals.



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03 Oct 2015, 4:52 am

I would rather rely on observers and analysts of Autism Speaks than what Autism Speaks says about itself, thanks all the same! If that makes me paranoid then I am happy to be so lol... er, wasn't it Autism Speaks who gave their backing to the disgusting video "I Am Autism"..? who pushed the vaccines cause autism crap.. implied autism was analogous to leprosy.. and so on (or did the internet just make it all up, probably those naughty little paranoid conspiracy theorists who are on the spectrum :)!

http://wrongplanet.net/ten-myths-about-autism-debunked/



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03 Oct 2015, 5:08 am

B19 wrote:
I would rather rely on observers and analysts of Autism Speaks than what Autism Speaks says about itself, thanks all the same! If that makes me paranoid then I am happy to be so lol... er, wasn't it Autism Speaks who gave their backing to the disgusting video "I Am Autism"..? who pushed the vaccines cause autism crap.. implied autism was analogous to leprosy.. and so on (or did the internet just make it all up, probably those naughty little paranoid conspiracy theorists who are on the spectrum :)!

http://wrongplanet.net/ten-myths-about-autism-debunked/


Saying that autistics are treated like lepers is not the same as saying that it's analogous to leprosy. Not at all. You are reaching there. Looking for offense where it isn't meant. And lots of times autistics are treated like lepers. It was a simple analogy of being shunned, not of comparing the two diagnosis.


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03 Oct 2015, 5:21 am

It's one of those situations where we will have to agree to disagree. I prefer the viewpoint of the Autistic Women's Network, though I can see where you are coming from and there's no middle ground there.

http://autismwomensnetwork.org/for-gods ... -speaking/



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03 Oct 2015, 5:25 am

I think we should also link them here:

http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-a-straw ... gument.htm



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03 Oct 2015, 4:36 pm

OliveOilMom wrote:
I've actually talked to someone there and was going to do a story on them. I talked to more than just someone who answered the phone. They aren't terrible and they aren't trying to do what you think they are trying to do. Not at all.

There is nothing wrong with Autism Speaks. They do not want to force a cure, but they do want to find one and make it available. Many people with autism want one and parents of kids who are non verbal and barely communicate would LOVE a way to help their child be more able to communicate and function and have less symptoms. They aren't talking about doing away with aspies. It's not eugenics, it's not forced anything.

Before you jump on the paranoia bandwagon, do actual research for yourself. More than just reading crap on the internet. I have autism and I'm totally fine with Autism Speaks. I've done my due diligence. Have you?



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06 Oct 2015, 10:06 pm

B19 wrote:
It's one of those situations where we will have to agree to disagree. I prefer the viewpoint of the Autistic Women's Network, though I can see where you are coming from and there's no middle ground there.

http://autismwomensnetwork.org/for-gods ... -speaking/


AWN is full of brilliant people. I discovered their podcasts when I was first starting to learn about autism and they seemed like some of the best thinkers and people around. This is another case of that blend of precise reasoning and compassionate thought.

I understand what OOM is saying about some of the people in Autism Speaks, but don't agree that the decent people who are involved somehow make the whole thing alright when it has what it has at the top is so wrong.



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07 Oct 2015, 11:13 am

OliveOilMom wrote:
I've actually talked to someone there and was going to do a story on them. I talked to more than just someone who answered the phone. They aren't terrible and they aren't trying to do what you think they are trying to do. Not at all.

There is nothing wrong with Autism Speaks. They do not want to force a cure, but they do want to find one and make it available. Many people with autism want one and parents of kids who are non verbal and barely communicate would LOVE a way to help their child be more able to communicate and function and have less symptoms. They aren't talking about doing away with aspies. It's not eugenics, it's not forced anything.

Before you jump on the paranoia bandwagon, do actual research for yourself. More than just reading crap on the internet. I have autism and I'm totally fine with Autism Speaks. I've done my due diligence. Have you?


So you think it's okay for a mother of an autistic child to tell Autism Speaks that she wanted to drive both the child and herself off a bridge? And the only reason she said she didn't was because she also had a "normal" kid. And she said this right in front of her autistic child!

I have also seen the "I am Autism" video and it is just plain evil. Anyone who believes that this hate group is perfectly fine is my enemy forever. Good-BYE. :x



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09 Oct 2015, 1:13 pm

OliveOilMom wrote:
I've actually talked to someone there and was going to do a story on them. I talked to more than just someone who answered the phone. They aren't terrible and they aren't trying to do what you think they are trying to do. Not at all.

There is nothing wrong with Autism Speaks. They do not want to force a cure, but they do want to find one and make it available. Many people with autism want one and parents of kids who are non verbal and barely communicate would LOVE a way to help their child be more able to communicate and function and have less symptoms. They aren't talking about doing away with aspies. It's not eugenics, it's not forced anything.

Before you jump on the paranoia bandwagon, do actual research for yourself. More than just reading crap on the internet. I have autism and I'm totally fine with Autism Speaks. I've done my due diligence. Have you?


The problem is, looking for a cure is a waste of resources. What they should be doing as a charity is working on ways ways to improve the lives of autistic people who are already alive. There will never be a cure for autism because you can't cure different brain development. On the other side of the coin, nobody who is anti-cure is actually against helping children who more severely disabled with autism become more functional. There are some therapies available that help with that but they will still always be autistic.



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09 Oct 2015, 1:16 pm

There are a lot of things we take for granted now which were previously thought impossible. Would it not be better in the long run to find out if it is possible and how to do it?



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09 Oct 2015, 1:21 pm

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There are a lot of things we take for granted now which were previously thought impossible. Would it not be better in the long run to find out if it is possible and how to do it?


No. There are therapies available that can help children with autism become more functional but unless you can have a brain transplant your something, they will always be autistic. You can't change that.



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02 Dec 2015, 7:20 pm

Thanks. :)



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02 Dec 2015, 7:57 pm

B19 wrote:
Again and again we get these threads on the General forum, and perhaps instead of starting to respond to these from scratch each time, over and over, this piece is as good a summary as any, and may be useful for future threads making the same inquiry.

I tend to suspect that some of the threads by new members - not all - are actually 'plants' by Autism Speaks sympathisers, trying to create a platform to advocate their toxic values. Either way, this link seems to me an appropriate (and energy saving) response:

http://ownshrink.com/neurodiversity/aut ... onal-gain/
Can you make this link "sticky"?


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