Interview with Erin Pizzey

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I thought this stream was interesting.


If you don't know about her, she opened one of the first women's shelters. She has written about domestic violence particularly inter-generational domestic violence. She interacted with radical feminist movement, inducing ones involved in domestic terrorist. She never bought into this extremism. As she wrote books that questioned conventional ideas about domestic violence she was ostracised and threatened.

Personally my position is more in line with Christina Hoff Sommers, who identifies as a feminist but received similar rejection within the moment. As I think she articulates these points a bit better, but I would hold that against Erin.

However I really found that interview of Erin fascinating, and her experiences are certainly as valid. I can understand why she would be quite aggrieved. Also her work to end domestic violence is commendable.

We need more balanced approaches like hers, rather that those that are based on flawed social theories and pandering to perception rather than seeking the truth.

TL;DW 4 PPR

I hate to say I dislike feminism, I really do, because it always sounds like I'm opposing womens equal rights. But the more I read about various kinds of feminism, the smaller the parts of it I could agree with seem to become.

Check out Christina Hoff Sommers (Youtube Chanel is called Factual Feminist). She is an "Freedom Feminist" and critical of second/third wave feminist obsession with unproven social theories, general divisiveness and confusing equality of outcome with equal opportunity.

One of her best point was Place like Russia have more women engineers, however they don't necessarily want to be in that job, there are other reason why they made that choice. Russia has a macho culture, and has Patriarchal leadership and church.

I there is is equal opportunity doesn't mean that you will see a 50/50 mix in every career. Conversely if they don't see 50/50 mix doesn't mean equal opportunity isn't there.

Of course there will be cases were there is not be equal opportunity, but it is important to give choice rather than impose arbitrary quotas.

Veterinary medicine used to be mostly males, now is is mostly females training.

I've historically noticed a tendency to peck at shiny things around here. This might be heady and educational but it's not necessarily shiny.

An example of a more shiny version thread-title: Should radical feminism be band? I think so and here's why!

You mean click bate?

I don't actually think that that radical feminism should be banned. Criticised yes but banned no.

Incitement such as encouraging violence should be investigated.

Not banned - band. There's a difference!

All jokes aside I'll have to watch this video later tonight or tomorrow when I get the chance - it sounds interesting but I also hate to hear stories like this, ie. moderates getting hammered by wing-nuts of one type or another for attempting objectivity in a situation. Extremes seem to be the preference of a rather limbic society and a news media who needs things to be spicy.

It's an internet guy doing the interview, not any major news outlet going for a spicy story, so that's a plus.

I've heard good things about her, so I might check her out. It doesn't really change my position though, since people like Hoff Summers and Camille Paglia tend to themselves become targeted by the rest fo the feminisms and punished for their wrongthink.

For CHS it is like water off a ducks back, and she doesn't stoop to that level. Some opponent of third wave use a more abrasive style, and use satire, which is perfectly fine. Christina's style is more to state the facts calmly. No snark, no bitterness, nothing.

I'm finishing this right now:

I hope, like you're stats guy, that the raw data can be waved in front of society and that the tides in the direction she and the moderator are talking about can be dissolved.

I'd have to agree that this is a kind of religious psychosis, as the moderator mentioned in reference to the Duke lacrosse case. Seems like rather tangible proof that any ism doesn't need a deity in order to detach from reality and make itself a solid enemy of truth and reason. Marxism is just one example of secular ontologies taking on the same abandonment of critical thinking.