Why did my friend refuse to tell me how he picked up girls?

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08 Nov 2015, 1:20 pm

About 10 years ago, I used to be friends with this guy, who was *the* world's alpha-est alpha male. Hordes of girls pretty much lined up to have sex with him. He had something like 4 friends with benefits, along with frequent hook-ups. He also knew how to send a cold-call Facebook message to a girl classmate, invite her over to "help him study", and have sex with her that night. He'd message a girl on a dating site, meet her just two days later, and have sex with her on the first date. All this said, he was very good-looking, so there's that.

Me? I didn't have my first kiss until I was 20 (albeit thanks to him bringing me to a college bar), and paid an escort to take my virginity when I was 22. That, and almost get plastic surgery on my face.

Wow! Just wow! I asked him, I begged him, to share his tricks and tactics on how he met girls like that. He always refused, giving the most mundane and/or ridiculous excuses, like "it's different every time". Well, yeah, but aren't there methods that are common to every situation? When I asked him for advice, he'd tell me to "walk around shirtless in public, to show girls you're comfortable with your body". I knew right there and then he was lying to me. I pretty much stopped bothering to find out anything from him, and instead spent hundreds of dollars on PUA literature. Which I should have spent on an escort instead. Or even paid him, if he was willing to sell the information, rather than share it for free.

Now, my question: Why would my friend refuse like that? It's not like I was going steal his girls. I was attracted to different physical types than he was. Was it an evolutionary instinct, like joining forces with girls and fellow alpha males, to keep betas like me away from women? Was the instinct so strong, that friendship didn't matter? Some other reason?

Either way, I stopped being friends with him, for reasons that involved a credit card (irrelevant to this thread). But I do still wonder: why would he refuse like that?



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08 Nov 2015, 3:39 pm

Aspie1 wrote:
About 10 years ago, I used to be friends with this guy, who was *the* world's alpha-est alpha male. Hordes of girls pretty much lined up to have sex with him. He had something like 4 friends with benefits, along with frequent hook-ups. He also knew how to send a cold-call Facebook message to a girl classmate, invite her over to "help him study", and have sex with her that night. He'd message a girl on a dating site, meet her just two days later, and have sex with her on the first date. All this said, he was very good-looking, so there's that.

Me? I didn't have my first kiss until I was 20 (albeit thanks to him bringing me to a college bar), and paid an escort to take my virginity when I was 22. That, and almost get plastic surgery on my face.

Wow! Just wow! I asked him, I begged him, to share his tricks and tactics on how he met girls like that. He always refused, giving the most mundane and/or ridiculous excuses, like "it's different every time". Well, yeah, but aren't there methods that are common to every situation? When I asked him for advice, he'd tell me to "walk around shirtless in public, to show girls you're comfortable with your body". I knew right there and then he was lying to me. I pretty much stopped bothering to find out anything from him, and instead spent hundreds of dollars on PUA literature. Which I should have spent on an escort instead. Or even paid him, if he was willing to sell the information, rather than share it for free.

Now, my question: Why would my friend refuse like that? It's not like I was going steal his girls. I was attracted to different physical types than he was. Was it an evolutionary instinct, like joining forces with girls and fellow alpha males, to keep betas like me away from women? Was the instinct so strong, that friendship didn't matter? Some other reason?

Either way, I stopped being friends with him, for reasons that involved a credit card (irrelevant to this thread). But I do still wonder: why would he refuse like that?



For a very simple reason: It is not enough to succeed, others must fail.

That's right, all this PUA flimflam is nothing but snake oil(like the rest of the self-help industry). He didn't teach you how to pick up girls because then you would be able to pick up a girl that he might want for himself instead. Really Aspie1, you need to realize that nobody is going to teach you how to get what you want! You have to figure it out on your own. That is, you need to use trial and error to find what strategies actually work for you because straight guys see other straight guys as competitors and helping a competitor is a bad idea if your goal is to win.



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09 Nov 2015, 12:14 am

Like AR1500 said, maybe he didn't want you to get better than him. Or maybe he was clueless about his success, and didn't want to look stupid saying he doesn't know what he is doing right.



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09 Nov 2015, 12:39 am

He might have been a hookup or supplier for something. I could be way off, but maybe he was a contact for drugs even if it was just a little marijuana or ecstasy.

Certainly besides this, he's probably comfortable and confident, but if this was also going on, it makes him unique and gives him a kind of prestige. So in addition to charisma, he projects power, he is a "bad boy" taking a risk with the law, and girls who are high might easily be turned on by this.

It would also explain the secrecy.

I'd also speculate if this has something to do with the Credit Card, but I don't want the OP to get into that if it's not something they're comfortable with.



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09 Nov 2015, 3:12 am

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Aspie1 wrote:
About 10 years ago, I used to be friends with this guy, who was *the* world's alpha-est alpha male. Hordes of girls pretty much lined up to have sex with him. He had something like 4 friends with benefits, along with frequent hook-ups. He also knew how to send a cold-call Facebook message to a girl classmate, invite her over to "help him study", and have sex with her that night. He'd message a girl on a dating site, meet her just two days later, and have sex with her on the first date. All this said, he was very good-looking, so there's that.

Me? I didn't have my first kiss until I was 20 (albeit thanks to him bringing me to a college bar), and paid an escort to take my virginity when I was 22. That, and almost get plastic surgery on my face.

Wow! Just wow! I asked him, I begged him, to share his tricks and tactics on how he met girls like that. He always refused, giving the most mundane and/or ridiculous excuses, like "it's different every time". Well, yeah, but aren't there methods that are common to every situation? When I asked him for advice, he'd tell me to "walk around shirtless in public, to show girls you're comfortable with your body". I knew right there and then he was lying to me. I pretty much stopped bothering to find out anything from him, and instead spent hundreds of dollars on PUA literature. Which I should have spent on an escort instead. Or even paid him, if he was willing to sell the information, rather than share it for free.

Now, my question: Why would my friend refuse like that? It's not like I was going steal his girls. I was attracted to different physical types than he was. Was it an evolutionary instinct, like joining forces with girls and fellow alpha males, to keep betas like me away from women? Was the instinct so strong, that friendship didn't matter? Some other reason?

Either way, I stopped being friends with him, for reasons that involved a credit card (irrelevant to this thread). But I do still wonder: why would he refuse like that?



For a very simple reason: It is not enough to succeed, others must fail.

That's right, all this PUA flimflam is nothing but snake oil(like the rest of the self-help industry). He didn't teach you how to pick up girls because then you would be able to pick up a girl that he might want for himself instead. Really Aspie1, you need to realize that nobody is going to teach you how to get what you want! You have to figure it out on your own. That is, you need to use trial and error to find what strategies actually work for you because straight guys see other straight guys as competitors and helping a competitor is a bad idea if your goal is to win.


This^

Cause people are usually fake and abandon their principles that they claim to believe in when it comes to sexual-related situations/ideas. Probably where the term "sex life" originated from tbh.



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09 Nov 2015, 3:55 am

I think he didn't share because he had no idea how he did it and why it worked. That's similar to how NTs can't just write-down how social rules work, including their nonverbal communication. People simply has no idea how it works.

So I think people need to forget about the idea that there are easy scripts that can lead to success in dating. It doesn't work like that. There are innate algorithms that guide people's actions in courtship that are outside of our normal control and conscious thought processes, and therefor NTs cannot tell us how they do it, and even if they could, we cannot change our own algorithms to match those of NTs. The best we can do is to try to understand our own and take advantage of that knowledge.



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09 Nov 2015, 7:49 am

VIDEODROME wrote:
He might have been a hookup or supplier for something. I could be way off, but maybe he was a contact for drugs even if it was just a little marijuana or ecstasy.
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I'd also speculate if this has something to do with the Credit Card, but I don't want the OP to get into that if it's not something they're comfortable with.

No, he wasn't a drug runner of any kind. Although, when he became old enough to gamble, he started frequenting a casino about 50 miles away from the college he went to. And he tried to make easy money there. Didn't work out.

The credit card? He tried to steal mine, or its number, at least. It was shortly after he lost too much money at the casino. I knew I didn't want that kind of person for a friend anymore, so I dumped him. I suppose it harkens back to the Greek myth of Icarus, who flew too close to the sun, and his wax wings melted.



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09 Nov 2015, 9:44 am

Was he toned? How did he walk shirtless in public? lol

He probably was not lying.



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09 Nov 2015, 9:57 am

There probably was no secret and thus no secret to tell. Charming + hot is a good combination. Charming just sort of is... it is not really "explainable", let alone transferable.



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09 Nov 2015, 9:59 am

You have to come up with your own methodology in finding a soulmate.



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09 Nov 2015, 11:40 am

Is picking up girls you probably wont come to care about who don't care about you really what you want? Sounds like that was more or less what he was doing. Sure maybe it looked cool he had all that female attention but one night stands really aren't that wonderful...and sounds like they are one of those types who has a lot of those. To each their own but even if he had shared his 'skills' with you it wouldn't be helping you get a relationship or girlfriend per say more just seducing women to sleep with you...somehow I doubt his approach got him a girlfriend or any sort of serious relationship.


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09 Nov 2015, 1:47 pm

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There probably was no secret and thus no secret to tell. Charming + hot is a good combination. Charming just sort of is... it is not really "explainable", let alone transferable.


Charming is just like a sales person persuading somebody to buy some junk (in this case a one-night stand). There is nothing cool about that whatsoever.

Besides, people that select partners by looks, verbal abilities or "charm" are people I don't want to have anything to do with. Luckily, those typically involve in mass-dating, so I'm not likely to run into them.



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09 Nov 2015, 5:10 pm

rdos wrote:
MissBearpolar wrote:
There probably was no secret and thus no secret to tell. Charming + hot is a good combination. Charming just sort of is... it is not really "explainable", let alone transferable.


Charming is just like a sales person persuading somebody to buy some junk (in this case a one-night stand). There is nothing cool about that whatsoever.

Besides, people that select partners by looks, verbal abilities or "charm" are people I don't want to have anything to do with. Luckily, those typically involve in mass-dating, so I'm not likely to run into them.



The trouble is though, it works. And it works quite well.


I much prefer a woman who prefers looks over social skills. And they do indeed exist even though they're less common.



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09 Nov 2015, 5:16 pm

Perhaps because his method is too good to share.


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09 Nov 2015, 5:31 pm

It sounds like he just thinks on his feet and doesn't really know how to explain his success. When you asked he probably legitimately did not know what advice to give you because it just comes naturally to him. It might be easier to get a more useful answer from someone who had to learn how to do that stuff.


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09 Nov 2015, 6:35 pm

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No, he wasn't a drug runner of any kind. Although, when he became old enough to gamble, he started frequenting a casino about 50 miles away from the college he went to. And he tried to make easy money there. Didn't work out.

The credit card? He tried to steal mine, or its number, at least. It was shortly after he lost too much money at the casino. I knew I didn't want that kind of person for a friend anymore, so I dumped him. I suppose it harkens back to the Greek myth of Icarus, who flew too close to the sun, and his wax wings melted.


Maybe as others have said, he's just got that natural charisma. This makes me wonder if money was a part of the attraction and why he was trying to get more with gambling.

Or was he even trying to tap your credit card because he lost to much of his own money and he wanted to keep continue to be a careless spender as a means to impress women.