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13 Apr 2007, 1:57 pm

America : Breaking the Army
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by Jim Lobe

President George W. Bush's ongoing "surge" of some 35,000 troops to add to the 140,000 already deployed in Iraq is highlighting growing concern, particularly among the military brass, that the U.S. army is overstretched and fast becoming "broken."

An increasing number of senior retired officers, some of whom had previously expressed optimism that the active-duty force of some 500,000 soldiers could handle U.S. commitments in the "global war on terror," now say the current situation today reminds them of 1980, when the service's top officer, Gen. Edward Meyer, publicly declared that the country had a "hollow Army."

"The active army is about broken," former Secretary of State Colin Powell, who also served as chairman of the Armed Forces Joint Chiefs of Staff under President George H.W. Bush 15 years ago, told Time magazine this week, while another highly decorated retired general who just returned from Iraq and Afghanistan described the situation in even more dire terms.

"The truth is, the U.S. Army is in serious trouble and any recovery will be years in the making and, as a result, the country is in a position of strategic peril," ret. Gen. Barry McCaffrey, former head of the U.S. Southern Command, told the National Journal, elaborating on a much-cited memo he had written for his colleagues at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point.

"My bottom line is that the Army is unraveling, and if we don't expend significant national energy to reverse that trend, sometime in the next two years we will break the Army just like we did during Vietnam," he added.

In an indication of the growing concern, both Time and the more elite-oriented Journal ran cover stories this week. They both concluded that the Army was rapidly approaching or had already reached "the breaking point."

"Pressed by the demands of two wars, plus mandates to expand, reorganize, and modernize, the Army is nearing its breaking point," according to the Journal, which also ran a companion article on how much the service has been forced to lower its mental, physical and moral standards to meet recruitment targets.

Some 15 percent of Army recruits last year were granted "waivers" from the Army's minimum standards – about half of those were "moral waivers"; that is, they were permitted to enter the service despite prior criminal records. Only 82 percent of recruits had a high school diploma or its equivalent, below the Army's benchmark of 90 percent and the lowest rate since 1981, according to the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments.

From just over 1.6 million soldiers at the height of the Vietnam War, the Army's active-duty force fell to a half million troops by the mid-1990s, following the end of the Cold War. Counting reserve and National Guard forces, the Army's total strength stands at about one million soldiers, of whom less than 400,000 are trained for combat.

While that was considered adequate for conventional conflicts with clear military and political objectives like the first Gulf War, in which the U.S. used overwhelming force to quickly prevail, it has proven far less suitable for the kind of prolonged occupation and unconventional war in which Washington now finds itself engaged in Iraq.

While some in the military brass, like then-Army Chief of Staff Gen. Eric Shinseki, warned the Bush administration even before the 2003 Iraq war that several hundred thousand troops would be required to stabilize the country, Bush's defense secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, was determined to show that a "transformed" military – one that used advanced technology to make up for numbers – was the wave of the future, repeatedly rejecting appeals by his commanders, Congress and some of his neoconservative allies to expand the army's size.

It was not until Rumsfeld was ousted after last November's elections, nearly four years into the U.S. occupation, that Bush finally agreed. In January, his new defense secretary, Robert Gates, called for an increase in army ranks to nearly 550,000 and in the Marines, from 175,000 to 202,000.

These increases, however, will be phased in over five years, offering little relief to stresses in the existing force, according to defense experts.

In addition to lowered standards for recruitment, the biggest concerns at the moment have to do with readiness and training. As more troops are rotated into Iraq for the "surge," the amount of time devoted to training has been substantially reduced.

"Given the new policy of having (U.S.) troops (interact more) among the Iraqis," Lawrence Korb, the Pentagon's top personnel officer under President Ronald Reagan, told Time, "they should be giving our young soldiers more training, not less."

Adding to the readiness problem are shortages of equipment, such as tanks and Humvees, on U.S. bases where training takes place. Instead, as units are rotated out of Iraq, they leave their equipment behind for their replacements to use.

"On the equipment side of the equation, the Army is pretty much broken," Tom McNaugher, an expert at the RAND Corporation, told the Journal.

Just as the Army has been forced to relax its recruitment standards, it has also been forced to shorten intervals between deployments. While the Army's recommended standard is a two-year interval between deployments that can last up to one year, the average current interval is substantially less; in some cases, as little as seven months.

Those stresses are particularly difficult to manage for mid-level officers, most of whom have families back at home and have already served as many as three and even four tours of duty in Iraq or Afghanistan.

While retention rates for these ranks remain strong, according to the Pentagon, some experts believe its statistics, which lag by several months, do not reflect what is actually taking place.

"Today, anecdotal evidence of collapse is all around," according to ret. Maj. Gen. Robert Scales, a former Rumsfeld adviser and a regular commentator on CNN, who previously was optimistic about the war and its impact on the Army.

"The Army's collapse after Vietnam was presaged by a desertion of mid-grade officers (captains) and noncommissioned officers… Most left because they and their families were tired and didn't want to serve in units unprepared for war."

"If we lose our sergeants and captains, the Army breaks again. It's just that simple. That's why these soldiers are the canaries in the readiness coal mine," he told the Washington Times last week. "And... if you look closely, you will see that these canaries are fleeing their cages in frightening numbers."

Indeed, the Army is currently short about 3,000 mid-career officers, a number that will be impossible to make up as the army expands over the next five years – a situation that Scales called "pretty much irreversible."

According to a report in the Boston Globe Wednesday, graduates from the military's officer training academy at West Point are choosing to leave active duty at the highest rate in more than three decades – "a sign to many specialists," the Globe said, "that repeated tours in Iraq are prematurely driving out some of the Army's top young officers."

Of the 903 officers commissioned on graduating from West Point in 2001, 54 percent had left the service by January of this year.

Meyer, the general who pronounced the army "hollow" in 1980, agrees that the army appears headed down the same path as after Vietnam.

"I absolutely see similar challenges confronting the Army today as we faced then in terms of stresses being placed on the force," he told Journal. "I think the Army is stressed at this point more than in all the time I've watched it since at least the end of the Cold War."


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13 Apr 2007, 2:00 pm

Who broke it? Iraqi Resistance.


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13 Apr 2007, 2:01 pm

very interesting! thanks for sharing!

anyone who knows history should have seen this coming even long ago. this became the curse and the eventual downfall of the roman empire in the exact same way. "those who do not know history are bound to repeat it"

every great empire falls, and it always follows a predictable pattern from beginning to end. Empires are always unsustainable in the long run due to their very nature



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13 Apr 2007, 2:14 pm

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The American Army is broken - OFFICIAL


Tell me something I didn't know.

Seriously, I think saying that the Iraqi resistance broke it is giving the Iraqi resistance too much credit. The problem with the U.S. Army is that they can't seem to cope with fighting against guerilla tactics - something that was already apparent in Vietnam 40 years ago. Furthermore, the Bush administration was told that the planned invasion of Iraq was dependant on too few troops well before Iraq was invaded. Last of all, Bush (because he's such a brilliant f*ckng leader) didn't take into account that Saddam Hussein was actually conferring some stability to the Middle East in two ways: 1) He was suppressing internal tensions among the various ethnic groups in Iraq and 2) He was providing a strategic regional counterbalance against Iran.

BTW, you might also find this less-than-flattering piece about the U.K.'s army interesting: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18086822/



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Tell me something I didn't know.

Seriously, I think saying that the Iraqi resistance broke it is giving the Iraqi resistance too much credit. The problem with the U.S. Army is that they can't seem to cope with fighting against guerilla tactics - something that was already apparent in Vietnam 40 years ago. Furthermore, the Bush administration was told that the planned invasion of Iraq was dependant on too few troops well before Iraq was invaded. Last of all, Bush (because he's such a brilliant f*ckng leader) didn't take into account that Saddam Hussein was actually conferring some stability to the Middle East in two ways: 1) He was suppressing internal tensions among the various ethnic groups in Iraq and 2) He was providing a strategic regional counterbalance against Iran.

BTW, you might also find this less-than-flattering piece about the U.K.'s army interesting: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18086822/
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The Iraqi resistance is fighting the most powerfull superpower army in the world. IR is fighting without asistance from any other nation - Iraq is surrounded by enemys on every border. Even Vietnam and Korea had superpower patrons.

Therefore you give too little credit to IR and you totaly underestimate their ingenuity, bravery and patience. Even the US army no longer calls them rag heads but now acknowleges that they are a very ingenius and brave adversary that is in fact constantly a step ahead of US forces in tactics - and bravery.

Interesting to note that the Iraqi figures for US army dead is in fact 25000 and not 3200. Interesting to remember who it has allways been who is the liar and who is the soothsayers.


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13 Apr 2007, 2:59 pm

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Who broke it? Iraqi Resistance.
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13 Apr 2007, 3:11 pm

I don't know about the "enemies on every border" statement. Enemies of Saddam, yes. Now that he is deposed, Iran and Syria are funnelling weapons to the Iraqi resistance because of a common enemy - the U.S. While they are not nearly as impressive in financial or military ability as the USSR was during Vietnam or Korea, they are providing the Iraqi resistance with firepower that would not be available had the U.S. sent enough troops to secure the border in the first place. This problem for the U.S. is furtehr compounded by the Iraqi's ingenuity, bravery, and patience, as you say. Under Saddam Hussein, the Iraqi's were well known for their ability utilize whatever resources were available to get a job done - I had heard one report about Iraqi engineers field stripping a turbine that would have been destined for a landfill in any other nation and restoring it to working order.

What has been grossly underestimated by the Bush administration is the willingness of the American people to make sacrifices to support shaky foreign policy. During WWII, people were willing to put up with rations, shortages, drafts, and soldier mortality rates of around 50%. I can't imagine that it was easy to stomach those types of losses - that was was immensely unpopular as well, at times - but it's a proven fact that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, unlike the ficticious Iraq - 9/11 link. If Americans were willing to make the sorts of sacrifices and stomach the enemy civilian casualties that were needed to win WWII (not to mention all the damage to the oil fields that two nuclear bombs would cause).



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I don't know about the "enemies on every border" statement. Enemies of Saddam, yes. Now that he is deposed, Iran and Syria are funnelling weapons to the Iraqi resistance because of a common enemy - the U.S. While they are not nearly as impressive in financial or military ability as the USSR was during Vietnam or Korea, they are providing the Iraqi resistance with firepower that would not be available had the U.S. sent enough troops to secure the border in the first place. This problem for the U.S. is furtehr compounded by the Iraqi's ingenuity, bravery, and patience, as you say. Under Saddam Hussein, the Iraqi's were well known for their ability utilize whatever resources were available to get a job done - I had heard one report about Iraqi engineers field stripping a turbine that would have been destined for a landfill in any other nation and restoring it to working order.

What has been grossly underestimated by the Bush administration is the willingness of the American people to make sacrifices to support shaky foreign policy. During WWII, people were willing to put up with rations, shortages, drafts, and soldier mortality rates of around 50%. I can't imagine that it was easy to stomach those types of losses - that was was immensely unpopular as well, at times - but it's a proven fact that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, unlike the ficticious Iraq - 9/11 link. If Americans were willing to make the sorts of sacrifices and stomach the enemy civilian casualties that were needed to win WWII (not to mention all the damage to the oil fields that two nuclear bombs would cause).


Actually you are full of s**t. You think you arent full of propoganda but in fact you are heavily riddled with brainwashied lies.

Tara sucker.


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13 Apr 2007, 3:19 pm

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Who broke it? Iraqi Resistance.
ahaha.


Mate i would not sit next to you on a bus never mind listen to your excrement.


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13 Apr 2007, 3:24 pm

This is going downhill fast ...


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13 Apr 2007, 3:29 pm

manalitwist wrote:
Interesting to note that the Iraqi figures for US army dead is in fact 25000 and not 3200. Interesting to remember who it has allways been who is the liar and who is the soothsayers.


As much as I would expect the US to reduce the numbers, I'd expect the Iraqis to inflate them. And why all this aggression? Surely we can exchange opinions without verbal assault.. or am I missing some history here?


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Interesting to note that the Iraqi figures for US army dead is in fact 25000 and not 3200. Interesting to remember who it has allways been who is the liar and who is the soothsayers.


As much as I would expect the US to reduce the numbers, I'd expect the Iraqis to inflate them. And why all this aggression? Surely we can exchange opinions without verbal assault.. or am I missing some history here?


I have had 15 years of opinonated propogandized racially superior democratic civilized white overgrown babies.

Now, 1 million Iraqis are dead and a country destroyed. Admit you were wrong. Not you personally myifriend but these imbeciles.


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13 Apr 2007, 3:40 pm

No matter, IR has weaponry to last 150 years thanks to the martyred President Of Iraq.


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13 Apr 2007, 3:44 pm

manalitwist wrote:
Actually you are full of sh**. You think you arent full of propoganda but in fact you are heavily riddled with brainwashied lies.

Tara sucker.


Do you want to have a discussion about the U.S. army or get into a flame war?

I'm thinking it's probably the latter, and I have no interest in going there.

As for being "brainwashed" - I don't believe every piece of propagandized sh*t that Faux News, I mean Fox News, throws out. I think Bush should be impeached. But you seem to be as unable to provide unbiased information as Bill O'Reilly. The fact that all of your propaganda is pro-Arab and pro-Iraqi doesn't make it any less propaganda.



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I do hope this doesn't get out of hand.


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janicka wrote:
manalitwist wrote:
Actually you are full of sh**. You think you arent full of propoganda but in fact you are heavily riddled with brainwashied lies.

Tara sucker.


Do you want to have a discussion about the U.S. army or get into a flame war?

I'm thinking it's probably the latter, and I have no interest in going there.

As for being "brainwashed" - I don't believe every piece of propagandized sh*t that Faux News, I mean Fox News, throws out. I think Bush should be impeached. But you seem to be as unable to provide unbiased information as Bill O'Reilly. The fact that all of your propaganda is pro-Arab and pro-Iraqi doesn't make it any less propaganda.


I am correct your full of s**t. No flame war about it. Just plain fact.


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