Anyone else weirded out by telling kids to believe in Santa?

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Lukeda420
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30 Dec 2015, 4:13 pm

I always found it weird that we have this cultural tradition of lying to small children about the existence of Santa, The Easter Bunny and others. First off I don't see the point. Kids are imaginative as it is without adults lying to them. The other thing is kids are often crushed when they learn the truth. Why do people do this?



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30 Dec 2015, 4:14 pm

I believe they mostly do it so kids will behave themselves--so they'll have a reason to be "good."



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30 Dec 2015, 4:18 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I believe they mostly do it so kids will behave themselves--so they'll have a reason to be "good."


I guess, and it will also prevent the parents from being "the bad guy." That honestly just makes it worse to me.



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30 Dec 2015, 4:25 pm

It would be interesting to have parents chime in on this.

I would bet that most "resort" to Santa Claus because an explanation why certain rules should be followed might be too difficult for a three-year-old to comprehend.

I believe, at times, parents resort to Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, etc. because they would be exasperated otherwise.



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30 Dec 2015, 4:25 pm

Yeah, I made a thread about this. The concept of these make-believe characters sickens me. Stop preying on the naïveté of young children.



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30 Dec 2015, 4:27 pm

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Yeah, I made a thread about this. The concept of these make-believe characters sickens me. Stop preying on the naïveté of young children.


Woops, missed that.



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30 Dec 2015, 4:29 pm

Not really, it's just harmless folklore/culture. What I don't like is the heavy commercialization of holidays.



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30 Dec 2015, 4:51 pm

I'd say it is pretty harmless but personally I do see the value in not deluding your children and making it clear that it was your hard work that paid for those presents not some magical fat man, elves, and reindeer.



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30 Dec 2015, 4:54 pm

Jacoby wrote:
I'd say it is pretty harmless but personally I do see the value in not deluding your children and making it clear that it was your hard work that paid for those presents not some magical fat man, elves, and reindeer.


I agree, I don't think it will leave anyone irreparably harmed. I think I'm more confused as to why adults still do it.



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30 Dec 2015, 4:57 pm

I really wish we could attract parents of young children to this thread.



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30 Dec 2015, 5:02 pm

Feyokien wrote:
Not really, it's just harmless folklore/culture. What I don't like is the heavy commercialization of holidays.


If you guys think Santa's cruel look up the Icelandic Yule Cat :lol:


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30 Dec 2015, 5:40 pm

I couldn't do it. And I was pissed off when I found out.

Also, I'd be interested to know if anyone would enforce the threat of no or less presents? This comes with numerous issues. How do you determine the standard? Then you have to be consistent. And if your child violates the standard early in a year, then they have no motivation to be good for the rest of it. And what about if they see someone worse than them get lavished with presents? That is a whole different and massive can of worms, the kind that puts families in debt. Because some little s**t gets a ton of stuff from their well off parents, what message does that send to your own child who behaved better when they don't do better? Unless you break the bank to change that. I could go on all day about Christmas, believe me. But to stay on topic, I would definitely have to tell any children of mine the truth, I feel that far, far outweighs the pitfalls of running with the lie. I'd also be interested to know if anyone did that or their parents did that with them.



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30 Dec 2015, 5:49 pm

This person's parents did it. From the thread I made:

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My brother and I never believed in Santa Claus or the Easter bunny; our parents straight-up told us they weren't real from a very young age. My parents are Catholic and used to tell us that these characters aren't the 'real' meaning of Christmas/Easter. We never celebrated Halloween either.

When I was in the first few years of school I used to get my Mum in trouble with the school because I would just blurt out to the class that Santa wasn't real.


How did this go over? Did you feel like you had been deprived of something in your life? Did your parents suffer a lot of backlash for it? How did it work out for everyone involved?


I never really felt deprived, if anything I actually looked down on other kids for believing in something so silly. I used to take great pride in persuading kids that Santa et al. couldn't possibly be real. I would think about it logically and conclude that it is simply impossible for someone to use reindeer to fly around the world in a single night and drop presents down everyone's non-existent chimneys. I believe that even if they hadn't mentioned it I still wouldn't have believed in it for very long, it's just like how I turned out an atheist.

My parents did suffer some backlash from my school (because I would go around 'spoiling' it for other kids) and from our extended family (who take Christmas, including Santa, really seriously), but only when I was very young, and it didn't faze them at all.



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30 Dec 2015, 5:59 pm

Thanks.

I've pondered a lot in the past about the issue of the child/ren spilling the beans to others and getting me into ugly confrontations with other parents and I think I'd unfortunately have to try and get them not to tell. Which I don't know how I'd do, would they understand the truth at that age?



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30 Dec 2015, 6:06 pm

I would do it this way, on the extremely slim chance I ever have children: I would flat-out tell them as soon as they would be old enough to understand, and if they didn't believe me, that's fine. I wouldn't bring it up again, but I wouldn't start talking about Santa and acting like he's real, either. And if the child did believe me and told the kids at school, I wouldn't care. I'd be an adult; what consequences could I suffer from the staff at the school? I guess they could try to remove the child from the school, but I think that would be a bit too extreme.



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30 Dec 2015, 6:08 pm

I'm a parent and I do the Santa thing because I loved it when I was little. I loved listening out for bells and reindeer on the roof on Christmas Eve. I wanted to believe so much that even when my older sister and parents told me I still convinced myself it might be true. My kids are 5 and 8 and the 8 year old definitely knows the truth but just carries it on in a tongue-in-cheek way for her brother. I'm pretty sure he has his suspicions as well. I've never really used Santa watching them as an incentive/threat though. I don't really agree with that as 'Santa' would still be coming however they behaved.