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26 Sep 2020, 12:12 pm

Kaiser Wilhelm II's obsession with military uniforms to the point he was always wearing one, for example he was wearing a blue admiral military uniform when he went to the aquarium, could of made him somewhat autistic. As a studier of monarchies there were a good amount of monarchs that showed autistic traits as well. Unfortunately it is hard to diagnose historical figures that lived hundreds of years ago.



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26 Sep 2020, 12:17 pm

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I nominate Tycho Brahe, the astronomer with the silver prosthetic nose. Much of the eccentricity of Monarchs may stem from severe inbreeding. Arranged marriages were often the most reliable treaties between nations, but the rich were a small group. Some were very sickly and/or deformed.

Even if inbreeding somehow (Unrealistically) didn't happen (Which inbreeding was kind of inevitable), it is still safe to say there still would of been a lot of eccentric monarchs with unique personalities, because there were just so many of them in history, for example Autism is 1 in 38 and the reason why autism is rising is that we are better at diagnosing it and having more awareness.

Inbreeding wasn't just a royalty thing, it was pretty common in the nobility and ordinary people as well, because if you are in a small village, you would have obviously have only so many potential spouses to go around, a lot like how monarchs did when they needed to marry other royals for alliances and titles. If you go back far enough on a family tree, any family tree, over a certain period of time it would start to look more like a web due to inbreeding and intermarriage.



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26 Sep 2020, 3:45 pm

Dylanperr wrote:
Kaiser Wilhelm II's obsession with military uniforms to the point he was always wearing one, for example he was wearing a blue admiral military uniform when he went to the aquarium, could of made him somewhat autistic. As a studier of monarchies there were a good amount of monarchs that showed autistic traits as well. Unfortunately it is hard to diagnose historical figures that lived hundreds of years ago.


Of course I'm wearing my admiral's uniform. I want the fish to recognize me. Image


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26 Sep 2020, 4:04 pm

An aspie would sometimes inherit a throne, but probably seldom win one. However, just wealth can cause extreme eccentricity. Palaces are not happy places for lonely children without career options.



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26 Sep 2020, 4:06 pm

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An aspie would sometimes inherit a throne, but probably seldom win one. However, just wealth can cause extreme eccentricity. Palaces are not happy places for lonely children without career options.


An aspie with legitimacy and a dependent enabler could. Especially since we're often better at close friendships.


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26 Sep 2020, 6:44 pm

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An aspie would sometimes inherit a throne, but probably seldom win one. However, just wealth can cause extreme eccentricity. Palaces are not happy places for lonely children without career options.

Just about anywhere isn't happy for lonely people without career options. An autistic would seldom win a throne (just like anyone else) but an autistic would seldom become an elected president/prime minister as well. Only 45 people out of the 330 million Americans that currently live and 500-600 million Americans that ever lived became president. The chances for someone with autism to become a president/prime minister would likely be much lower than that. You don't need wealth to be eccentric or have an eccentric personality.



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26 Sep 2020, 7:19 pm

Dylanperr wrote:
Dear_one wrote:
I nominate Tycho Brahe, the astronomer with the silver prosthetic nose. Much of the eccentricity of Monarchs may stem from severe inbreeding. Arranged marriages were often the most reliable treaties between nations, but the rich were a small group. Some were very sickly and/or deformed.

Even if inbreeding somehow (Unrealistically) didn't happen (Which inbreeding was kind of inevitable), it is still safe to say there still would of been a lot of eccentric monarchs with unique personalities, because there were just so many of them in history, for example Autism is 1 in 38 and the reason why autism is rising is that we are better at diagnosing it and having more awareness.

Inbreeding wasn't just a royalty thing, it was pretty common in the nobility and ordinary people as well, because if you are in a small village, you would have obviously have only so many potential spouses to go around, a lot like how monarchs did when they needed to marry other royals for alliances and titles. If you go back far enough on a family tree, any family tree, over a certain period of time it would start to look more like a web due to inbreeding and intermarriage.


Commoners married folks who lived within seven miles, and didnt date folks whom they met in college like how folks find spouses today, but they were not as inbreed as royalty (who had to marry other royalty). Even before railroads there was a lot of genetic drift between villages. You married someone from seven miles instead of a 1000 miles away, but their siblings married folks from seven miles away from the opposite direction, who had siblings who married spouses from seven miles still farther away. So though genes moved slower than now they still moved across the map.



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26 Sep 2020, 9:00 pm

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Commoners married folks who lived within seven miles, and didnt date folks whom they met in college like how folks find spouses today, but they were not as inbreed as royalty (who had to marry other royalty). Even before railroads there was a lot of genetic drift between villages. You married someone from seven miles instead of a 1000 miles away, but their siblings married folks from seven miles away from the opposite direction, who had siblings who married spouses from seven miles still farther away. So though genes moved slower than now they still moved across the map.


The "village idiot" was a common result of inbreeding, and their numbers plummeted when bicycles became common. It cost too much to get around on horses. Trains probably helped as well.



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26 Sep 2020, 10:47 pm

Dear_one wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Commoners married folks who lived within seven miles, and didnt date folks whom they met in college like how folks find spouses today, but they were not as inbreed as royalty (who had to marry other royalty). Even before railroads there was a lot of genetic drift between villages. You married someone from seven miles instead of a 1000 miles away, but their siblings married folks from seven miles away from the opposite direction, who had siblings who married spouses from seven miles still farther away. So though genes moved slower than now they still moved across the map.


The "village idiot" was a common result of inbreeding, and their numbers plummeted when bicycles became common. It cost too much to get around on horses. Trains probably helped as well.

Especially cars and planes as well.



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26 Sep 2020, 10:52 pm

Dear_one wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Commoners married folks who lived within seven miles, and didnt date folks whom they met in college like how folks find spouses today, but they were not as inbreed as royalty (who had to marry other royalty). Even before railroads there was a lot of genetic drift between villages. You married someone from seven miles instead of a 1000 miles away, but their siblings married folks from seven miles away from the opposite direction, who had siblings who married spouses from seven miles still farther away. So though genes moved slower than now they still moved across the map.


The "village idiot" was a common result of inbreeding, and their numbers plummeted when bicycles became common. It cost too much to get around on horses. Trains probably helped as well.

I saw something such as the Fugate family in Kentucky and the Colt family in Australia who were probably the most inbred people in the entire world.