Stupid fundamentalist quote about the Blacksburg shootings

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paulsinnerchild
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20 Apr 2007, 2:31 am

I could not believe my ears when I heard this ridiculous and callous quote made by Linda Mcguire from the Tommie Zito Ministry

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We came here to encourage but most of all the reality is that some of those students who were shot are in hell today and I wanted to come and let the other students know that (we didn't, they didn't) some went to hell but they didn't have to go to hell that we have a choice that we can say yes to Jesus because he is the only way to heaven.



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20 Apr 2007, 3:30 am

That was a very inconsiderate thing to say considering the pain of the families of the deceased ones...



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20 Apr 2007, 6:18 am

They should have be told to shut up, they are asses. I'd agrue that they are permenantly done in, and that is a terrible thing to attempt to take advantage of a human never seeing, loving, or living again.



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20 Apr 2007, 7:06 am

I am glad there are VERY few people like that here in Canada, and of those few, they dont have such access to national media.



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20 Apr 2007, 9:12 am

thats too bad, organized religion is a joke. it always has been



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20 Apr 2007, 10:22 am

I heard that too - I was horrified.
It disgusts and disturbs me that this sort of ignorant, fundamentalist evangelical believe that they have the right to speak for God and for Christendom. As though God were some kind of bored dictator, who tortures people for eternity, just for the hell of it (if you'll pardon the pun). And even if that were the case, surely they could at least feign a veneer of sensitivity, just long enough for the edge to wear off the grief of the people in that community.



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20 Apr 2007, 10:40 am

Religious or not, that's just a damn crude thing to say.



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20 Apr 2007, 5:50 pm

How can they assume some of them went to Hell? I mean even by their own requirement to be saved from Hell these people could have done in the remaining moments of their lives.



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20 Apr 2007, 5:55 pm

They do have a right to speak on behalf of their religion, as religion is an invention of man. They do not, however, have the right to be hypocrits. Sadly, fundementalists have politicized their religion, identifying their beliefs with that of the Republican party. This leads to them getting their own press conferences. This is a sad, lonely, crying shame to those of us with a modicum of independant thought.


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20 Apr 2007, 8:29 pm

Hey, most of the founding fathers were deists and not christians. And they want to "reclaim" the nation for Jesus. When it never was his in the first place. And it never was specified which god the nation was under: the imaginary god?, cthulu?, deius?, jehova?, Zeus?, thor?. Really they are just trying to force their beliefs on others. In my opinion they are treasonous, and should be dealth with accordingly.



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20 Apr 2007, 11:20 pm

Their 'religion' is logically inconsistent - it is a perversion of religion.



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21 Apr 2007, 12:06 am

paulsinnerchild wrote:
I could not believe my ears when I heard this ridiculous and callous quote made by Linda Mcguire from the Tommie Zito Ministry

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We came here to encourage but most of all the reality is that some of those students who were shot are in hell today and I wanted to come and let the other students know that (we didn't, they didn't) some went to hell but they didn't have to go to hell that we have a choice that we can say yes to Jesus because he is the only way to heaven.


I'd have to ask them - you could sit there and picket hospitals, picket cancer hospices, make proper fools of yourselves - why VT shooting victims in specific? Are they that hard up for loonies and need the sensationalism and advertisement? Heh, you'd love to remind them as well that pride and vanity are 2 of the 7 deadly sins - that should get em livid :P.

If this is what I think it is - that Topeka Baptist organization I think they got the press for the same very unfortunate reason that the shooter's videos and manifesto's did: its shocking, scandalous, horrifies anyone with common sense, and while I guess they're tying to tell everyone watching what pieces of work these people are I really think its working to their benefit because a few days ago you probably wouldn't have even known they existed.



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22 Apr 2007, 12:11 pm

These are not mainstream religious people and to attempt to associate them with organized religion in general in the United States is unwarranted. I will have to look it up but I seem to remember rather more leading clerics in the Islamic world saying the destruction of the Space Shuttle Challenger was not only the will of God but had also had to do God demonstrating the US would ultimately emerge defeated. There are bigger evils, and more influential religious evils in the world to make comments against.

ADDENDUM: I would also add that that Fred Phelps and his little "church" are largely despised in this country, by both religious and non-religious people.



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22 Apr 2007, 10:12 pm

A group called the "American Family Association" has associated itself with a, in my view, insulting advertisement that attempts to politicize the massacre at the Virgina Tech university. I have never heard of this group before, and it's Wikipedia entry is full of people I also do not know about. Admittedly, I do not know, for absolute certainly whether there are some connections to say, Jerry Falwell, or Pat Robertson or someone like that (neither of which I am a particular fan of, to be honest).



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23 Apr 2007, 9:56 am

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Once again, we are experiencing the pain and anguish of another mass shooting in America, this time at Virginia Tech. And once more, the Westboro Baptist Church people from Topeka, Kansas are planning to protest outside the funerals of all 32 of the shooting victims. If you've never heard of this angry group of people, they believe that random acts of violence, killings, and even the deaths of American soldiers in the war are a result of God's wrath over homosexuality. They've repeatedly stated that innocent murder victims deserved their fate. They routinely hold picket signs outside the churches of funerals that say things like, "Your son is rotting in Hell" and "Thank God for IEDs" and "Your daughter deserved to die." One of them told me today that they were already making signs for the Virginia Tech funerals that would have said, "Hokies in Hell" (hokie is the Va Tech mascot). Many of these "church leaders" are lawyers and are experts at local ordinances that they use in their favor to hold their protests.

You may recall that when they were planning to protest outside the funerals of the slain Amish children in Pennsylvania, I offered an hour of airtime on my radio show to Westboro Baptist Church in exchange for their written promise to stay out of Pennsylvania and leave those grieving families alone. They accepted my offer and were guests on my show for an hour. When I found out that they were planning to hold protests outside the Virginia Tech victims funerals, I've made the decision to offer them more airtime. On Tuesday, April 24, Shirley Phelps-Roper and other members of Westboro Baptist Church will be my in-studio guests for the entire program. They have formally announced that they are cancelling all of their scheduled protests for the Virginia Tech shooting victims funerals as a result of receiving this invitation to be on my show.

I know that many people disagree with my decision. I have also received many notes and calls of support. Please allow me to state why I'm doing this: I truly feel called, on a spiritual level, to allow my radio show to be a tool that prevents these angry, hateful people the opportunity to hurt grieving families. I fully comprehend the arguments against doing this ("giving in to 'terrorists', "allowing them a national platform", etc.) but my heart is telling me to do something positive here. If my radio show can prevent a circus atmosphere of protests, counter-protests, police protection, and media coverage from taking place in front of churches where grieving families are trying to say good-bye to their loved ones, then I think that's a good thing. I feel with all of my heart that this is the right thing to do.


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23 Apr 2007, 10:24 am

kt-64 wrote:
Hey, most of the founding fathers were deists and not christians. And they want to "reclaim" the nation for Jesus. When it never was his in the first place. And it never was specified which god the nation was under: the imaginary god?, cthulu?, deius?, jehova?, Zeus?, thor?. Really they are just trying to force their beliefs on others. In my opinion they are treasonous, and should be dealth with accordingly.

True, many founding fathers were deists, I think a majority were Christian though, just many of the more famous ones were deists. A large percent of the US was religious though, and before the revolution, the colonies did have laws based upon religion or had theocracies such as the Puritans. Actually, all of politics is ultimately trying to force others to act or sacrifice according to what you want. I would simply state that the groups that are off on that fringe are quite insane though, and that the preacher in question is stupid for making his statement.