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20 Feb 2016, 12:06 pm

The South Carolina Primary for the GOP and the Nevada Caucus for the Democrats happens tonight, these are the unpredictable votes to happen so far I think as it really can go either way for in Nevada and the stakes are so incredibly high on the GOP side in SC.

By most account Hillary and Bernie are neck and neck in Nevada, it's not a caucus you can really accurately poll but there is a big battle going on for union voters with the union leadership for the most part standing behind Hillary but that's not the case for the rank and file. I saw the other day the AFL-CIO will be withholding their endorsement which is a pretty huge win for Bernie. Obviously there is this huge effort on both their behalves to attract minority voters, it's honestly gotten pretty ridiculous the desperation on both sides which NEED these voters. They're the only thing keeping Hillary alive, they're the only thing preventing Bernie from being a viable If Bernie can win in Nevada, it will be very interesting to see how much momentum he can pick up before SC which is only 3 day later. If Bernie won Nevada and then pulled an upset in South Carolina, the race would be over I think. I wonder how much being an old white Jew plays into Bernie's lack of support among minorities, I think it's a question that needs to be asked given how I don't see why they should have such an allegiance to the Clinton's who did what for them in the 90s? I am also wondering if Bernie will have an easier time attracting Hispanic voters given their more open inclination towards socialism. A lot of questions, should be very interesting.

The Republicans all have their knives out against each other, SC as it always seems to be is a bloodbath of negative politics and dirty tricks. Trump according to the polls seems to be firmly in the lead with Cruz and Rubio battling each other for 2nd place, Bush has just flopped even with his brother and Lindsay Graham campaigning with him and is battling Ben Carson for last place. Kasich isn't even contesting SC and is polling better than Bush in most polls. Jeb really needs to finish in the top 3 or I think the pressure will be on him to drop out, I think he'll do it before getting embarrassed in Florida but he has the money to stay around as long as he wants. There is this idea that the GOP wants all these candidates running so no one candidate will get the majority of delegates at the convention on the first ballot and then the party establishment will pick the candidate they wanted all along.

It's really important to everyone; Trump will look really bad if he doesn't win, Cruz really needs a strong showing to remain viable so to stop the race from turning into the establishment versus Trump, the dunce Rubio seems to be the guy the party insiders are all rallying around so he NEEDS to be the first establishment candidate and preferably 2nd instead of 3rd. If Jeb or Kasich finish ahead of Rubio then his campaign will go into a tailspin. Kasich is focusing his efforts in Michigan right now. Carson need to not finish last and have a showing that will keep him the race, I think it's looking like time he drops out too which will be really interesting to see who he endorses if anyone.



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20 Feb 2016, 4:20 pm

First news from Nevada:

Clinton 50.0%
Sanders 49.6%

https://twitter.com/NolteNC/status/7011 ... 88/photo/1


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20 Feb 2016, 5:31 pm

Being called for Hillary, looks like she will squeak it out it in Nevada. It's a weird caucus, getting a result this early.

Should be interesting in SC, making it sound like race is narrowing.



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20 Feb 2016, 6:11 pm

Jacoby wrote:
Being called for Hillary, looks like she will squeak it out it in Nevada. It's a weird caucus, getting a result this early.
Should be interesting in SC, making it sound like race is narrowing.


Is the Nevada caucus winner-take-all, or do Clinton and Sanders divide up the delegates (almost equally)?


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20 Feb 2016, 6:26 pm

Darmok wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Being called for Hillary, looks like she will squeak it out it in Nevada. It's a weird caucus, getting a result this early.
Should be interesting in SC, making it sound like race is narrowing.


Is the Nevada caucus winner-take-all, or do Clinton and Sanders divide up the delegates (almost equally)?


pretty sure it is proportional so I think Sanders is still in the lead, at least until SC where things might be ugly.



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20 Feb 2016, 6:32 pm

well other than Hillary's huge lead in super delegates I should say 8O



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20 Feb 2016, 7:03 pm

This was the most recent polling (not voting) from South Carolina:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -4151.html

It shows quite a bit of variation. It will be interesting to see which poll comes closest to the final result.


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20 Feb 2016, 7:55 pm

YAY TRUMP WON!! !



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20 Feb 2016, 8:36 pm

Trump wins, it looks like he will in Nevada as well according to polls. Rubio will try to push in Nevada I think , Adelson is a big back of his.

Fox is pretty butthurt tonight watching it lol



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20 Feb 2016, 8:44 pm

Jeb Bush is out, wow!

Good bye Bush dynasty!



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20 Feb 2016, 8:45 pm

Less than 200 votes out of 140,000 separating Cruz and Rubio at the moment:

Trump 111,414 34.0
Cruz 70,969 21.6
Rubio 70,774 21.6


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20 Feb 2016, 9:57 pm

With 97% in, Rubio is only one tenth of one percent ahead of Cruz (2nd place to 3rd place).


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20 Feb 2016, 11:29 pm

The final tally of tonight's Republican primary in South Carolina, with 99 percent of precincts reporting:

1. Donald Trump: 238,067 (32 percent)

2. Marco Rubio: 164,691 (22.5 percent)

3. Ted Cruz: 163,732 (22.3 percent)

4. Jeb Bush: 57,472 (7.8 percent)

5. John Kasich: 55,920 (7.6 percent)

6. Ben Carson: 52,958 (7.2 percent)


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20 Feb 2016, 11:53 pm

This contest for 2nd place seems like nonsense. Trump won handily. Somebody has to beat Trump and it has to be more the another one off. Super Tuesday is March 1 last chance to stop his nomination without chicanery.


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21 Feb 2016, 3:15 am

I just heard.

GO TRUMP! GO TRUMP! GO TRUMP!


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21 Feb 2016, 10:59 am

Score ++1 for TRUMP!

What Raptor and friends don't realize is that Ted Cruz is too BETA to be prez. :mrgreen: