What doesn't kill you makes you Stronger... Really??

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08 Jun 2016, 5:36 am

Does anyone believe this saying? Cause I can say that having autism my whole life, I DON'T FEEL STRONGER!! !! I feel at 36 yrs old, WORN OUT!!!Enduring the poor SOCIAL SKILLS that kept me from dating women being a virgin and making friends. The LEARNING DISABILITIES that made me struggle all through high school and kept from passing my graduation exam thus no diploma thus no attending college thus no college education! My poor MOTOR SKILLS that affected me from being able to keep even a LOW PAYING JOB, AND EVEN HAVING BASIC HOBBIES!! ! I wish sometimes I could just stay home and away from the world forever! I don't feel Stronger!! ANYONE ELSE AGREE OR FEEL LIKE ME?????



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08 Jun 2016, 5:38 am

What doesn't kill you makes you wish you were dead.


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08 Jun 2016, 5:39 am

Amen!! !! !! ! lol



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08 Jun 2016, 5:44 am

Depends on the situation really, but mostly its a load of crap.


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08 Jun 2016, 5:44 am

You become "stronger" because you've endured hardship.

One you've endured hardship, you could teach others how to endure hardship.

You're a useful person merely by virtue of having endured hardship.

Therefore, you are a viable person worthy of being alive--just by virtue of having endured hardship.

I ain't talking s**t here.



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08 Jun 2016, 6:07 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
You become "stronger" because you've endured hardship.

One you've endured hardship, you could teach others how to endure hardship.

You're a useful person merely by virtue of having endured hardship.

Therefore, you are a viable person worthy of being alive--just by virtue of having endured hardship.

I ain't talking s**t here.


I agree with kraftie. I've also felt like you have at times, that this is a BS way to think. It's not.

I believe the mind to be similar to muscles in some ways. You must push it to the point of breaking for it to heal and be stronger. Unfortunately it means pushing yourself through and past your comfort zones. This is very, very hard to do. Harder for some of us than others. In order for this saying to take effect, you must be continuing to challenge yourself instead of falling down and quitting. The stronger part only comes after you've endured the hurt and kept moving forward anyway. There's a personal pride to overcoming adversity. There truly is. Especially when it's an adversity that's kept you down for so long.

I am not nearly as bad off as you it seems, but have borne my fair share of life's weight. I have many burdens. And I've been broken to my knees for extended period of time. These times have cost me so much of my life. This angers me at myself. I'm trying to turn that anger to something good.

Some people fine the way to channel all of their bitterness and disappointment into self improvement. It's not easy. But this is what people mean when hey say this. But you have to not give up to reap the benefits. Slow methodical progress, always, always forward, never backwards-- with patience. It's the only way out of the hole.



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08 Jun 2016, 6:15 am

You already gained something, somehow, somewhat. You just can't appreciate it yet.


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08 Jun 2016, 6:21 am

That which does not kill me makes a tactical error.

I fight back.



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08 Jun 2016, 6:25 am

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08 Jun 2016, 6:56 am

I like how the mouse is able to bench press the trap!



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08 Jun 2016, 7:24 am

No. It's Pollyanna bull sh!t that people like to believe and by which they harshly judge others who did not manage to survive well through bad things.

What doesn't kill you makes you STRANGER.

And I agree with Raleigh, what doesn't kill you makes you WISH you were dead.

I have "gotten through" a lot of really sh!tty things in my life and I am a survivor because I got through them, I took control of AS MUCH AS I was able to do so, and I did ALL that sh!t Oprah type Pollyanna people tell you to do.

I got myself out of bad situations by my own strength of will, will to survive, changed things for myself, "improved" myself and my life BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH freakng BLAH.

I DID all that but the sheer STRESS of even doing all that has made me changed. I'm not "stronger" I'm just completely DAMAGED by the stress. And then my reward is to be judged by people who think I should somehow be perfectly okay and it's a personal failing that I'm not. Screw those people. They don't even know how much worse off I COULD be and that what I am now is actually the best success I could have achieved under the specific circumstances, they don't even know what I HAVE done and I could be dead now. Some people will always judge you without even KNOWING you or being there to see what you DID achieve and how damn hard that was. Screw them.



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08 Jun 2016, 7:28 am

Loved the mouse pic Raleigh :)))

The cliche that is the title of this thread sits in a bunch with others like "when life hands you lemons, make lemonade" - or as some wit rephrased that: "when life hands you melons, it's probably handed you dyslexia too". Mindless positivity sloganing doesn't inspire me much - on bad days it can almost drain me of the will to breathe!

When I am around unrelentingly "positive" people - why must they always speak in received slogans and cliches? Why can't they form any original thoughts? Their incapacity to do so drains me of the will to ever voluntarily spend another moment in their company, ever. Obviously what is positive for one is not positive for another - even what is positive is subjective, though CBT practitioners think they know what you need to think, it seems.

I am not anti-optimism. Optimistic people can sometimes be comforting and inspiring - if they are genuine, and express something that arises from inner experience. This is a world away from the "positivity parrots" who do 3 million affirmations a day because a book told them to. Denial is never good for the soul, and the only way out of the most difficult feelings like sadness is to go through them (I think) rather than taking the cliche cure.

What doesn't kill you allows you to live another day, and sometimes strength is born of adversity, for some. But that is usually hard won by the person, it's not the result of believing in simplistic cliches which posit that everyone functions in the same way. Bah!! ! Humbug!! !



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08 Jun 2016, 7:33 am

Sometimes "strength" in the person who overcame adversity is overlooked or not credited to them just because they didn't come out the other side all sweetness and light.

Sweetness and light was what got me INTO the life-destroying situations that caused me to have be "strong" about the ensuing crisis....



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08 Jun 2016, 7:41 am

I agree with BirdInFlight! Living through some adversity doesn't necessarily make a person "stronger" it simply means they lived through it without dying. In fact worst case you may be weaker. Its a platitude to make weak feel better about their circumstances. I'm not saying some don't become stronger but its not unanimous.



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08 Jun 2016, 7:49 am

No...people don't often come out of bad situations all roses and stuff!

Still, they have inherent credibility because of what they have experienced.

I still believe people get stronger because they experience adversity. I don't believe--just because something is broken---that it can't be ultimately fixed. It might remain broken for a long time, though, which is frustrating.



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08 Jun 2016, 7:56 am

I don't care what you believe. Many people "believe" things that aren't objectively true. Astrology and Religion are two that come to mind.