aspie with opposite traits?
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Although I have an official DX of aspie, and my condition is as far from NT as anyone, I still feel that I do not fit in, even as aspie. A large part of the reason is that, although I know that this is a "spectrum" condition, some of my traits are not just non-aspie, but are actually the extreme opposite. (an example of a condition with an opposite trait could be someone diagnosed with, say, Down's syndrome, who has an IQ of 160.)
One example in me would be that in Asperger, they say concrete intelligence tends to be higher than abstract intelligence, but in me, my abstract intelligence is so much higher than my concrete intelligence as to be a social problem of its own. However, although Albert Einstein's abstract intelligence was abnormally high, he is still considered a possible aspie.
Another would be that, according to one source, an Aspie would find it easier to show love by buying a gift than by giving close affection, while I am the extreme opposite of that.
Is there anyone here who feels on the "wrong planet" who has a trait which is the opposite of Aspie?
^I sometimes don't think I'm an Aspie, since I'm quite different from a lot of people on this site.
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Kuraudo777, there are three ways you can be different from the people here:
1.You are more NT than they are
2. You are at least just as different from NTs as they are, but in a different way
3. You are at least just as different from NTs as they are, but in the opposite direction in some ways.
Although this thread is about #3, I would be interested in how you are different from them in any way.
I respectfully disagree with the classification, because I see rules, numbers, and systems as abstractions.
I associate the word concrete, with hardness, mass, or physical substance.
And, I don't associate the indeterminacy of NT people with either of these.
I don't find that I experience social anxiety. So, when I don't understand something, or disagree with someone, I say so. People think that I am being intense and serious, and want to fight, when I am just paying close attention. I feel that I have cleared the air. I have explained myself plainly, in front of authority figures and criminals and was prettymuch always allowed to walk.
Otherwise, I was not afraid.
I have gone to dangerous or dramatic places, not for the thrill of it, but for solitude.
I do feel all the physical symptoms of panic attacks, when something is incomplete or out of order. Incoherence and bad designs make me feel physically anxious.
Another would be that, according to one source, an Aspie would find it easier to show love by buying a gift than by giving close affection...
Those sound just like un-informed stereotypes to me, perhaps true of some aspies and not of others, but in no way essential traits.
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The traits often depends on one's level of Life-Experiences. I have much more life-experience than the majority of Aspies and so I will tend to also be much different and do a lot more of the unexpected than what you might from from either another Aspie and certainly not considered Neuro-Typical. Not really sure the best way to explain it but, the more survival-pressure you experience, provided that it does not drive you into killing yourself or forcing you into a permanently bad situation, the more you are forced into a kind of what I might have to call a psychological-evolution. Try comparing a lot of the things that I have posted with a lot of the things that other W-P have posted; you will usually see a huge difference and many stark-contrasts; I am also very aware that there are probably many younger or less-experienced Aspies who follow my posts just because I might seem to them like something of an older or more-experienced version of themselves...
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Is there anyone here who feels on the "wrong planet" who has a trait which is the opposite of Aspie?
I see it like people with ASD have to share some few overall common features (such as 'don't get people/social interaction') which are listed in the DSM but everything else and how those features manifest themselves exactly is optional and can vary strongly from person to person.
With most traits listed it's like I can relate to them and sometimes strongly so, yet usually not to a degree that it becomes disabling, so not like 'Aspie planet' is my official homeplanet, but more like a close neighbouring one to mine, whereas 'NT planet' on the other hand is so far far away.
But yes, there are also a few traits which I don't relate to at all and have more the opposite, for example I'm naturally not very honest or blunt at all, but rather reluctant about these things.
The quality of the definitions of concrete intelligence and abstract intelligence are hair raising (taken from http://psychologydictionary.org):
Concrete intelligence: the capacity to manage concrete, useful unions and circumstances: "The following is an example of concrete intelligence: All dogs are friendly. Poodles are friendly."
Abstract intelligence: the capacity to think more generally and look at objects and situations as a whole versus as their individual parts: "Jim's abstract intelligence is what allowed him to look at the skyline in it's entirety while other onlookers focused only on the Blue Angels' flying through it."
On the one hand mathematicians score very highly on autistic traits (certainly based on autism test score statistics), and on the other hand Aspies are supposed to be "concrete thinkers" rather than "abstract thinkers".
The combination of sloppy definitions and statements made and propagated by some autism professionals based on these definitions only create confusion.
Many Aspies are very good at creating and using abstractions that relate to observations of the physical world around us, and this makes some of them very good scientists in their fields of special interest.
Many Aspies are less motivated to use abstractions that relate to the human social world. Many don't attach much if any significance to social status. Given that the autistic cognitive lens does not pick up on the semantics of many social cues in real time, related reasoning based on social abstractions is limited or "impaired".
The generalised statement that autistics are poor abstract thinkers is simply wrong.
One example in me would be that in Asperger, they say concrete intelligence tends to be higher than abstract intelligence, but in me, my abstract intelligence is so much higher than my concrete intelligence as to be a social problem of its own. However, although Albert Einstein's abstract intelligence was abnormally high, he is still considered a possible aspie.?
Total nonsense. Aspies are never described as "excelling in concrete thought at the expense of abstract thinking" (or vice versa either). Not a recognized diagnostic trait of aspies at all.
SOME low functioning autistics are great with tools, but cant think abstractly (dont even understand money), but a trait that some folks on another part of the autism spectrum have has nothing to do with the what the definition is of another part of the spectrum is ( what some LFA have has nothing to do with being a defining trait of aspies).
I think that's about right. ASD is a spectrum thing by definition. Any individual is likely to have some of the DSM traits but few people experience them all persistently and intensely enough to justify checking all the boxes. I don't take mental diagnostic pigeon-holes too seriously. I think such constructs can be very useful, but I think that when it comes to the brain, it's important to bear in mind how reductionist these things are.
It would be ridiculous to diagnose on traits like that alone, such as showing affection.
Like " well your child is nonverbal,cannot make eye contact, has repetitive movement, insists upon routines and has serious executive functioning issues but he gives you hugs so hE CANT be autistic"
I know how you feel sometimes though. I was a very huggy child and always tried and played with other kids, but just because I WANT to be with people, doesn't mean I'm good at socializing even on a basic level.
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Hi Zylon,
The more Aspies I've gotten to know in person, the more I've realized that we do share some core traits, but the way we deal with those traits can be hugely different. I suppose I'm referring to observations about things that are more related to behavior than concrete abilities, but some of them might still apply.
For instance, I have a hard time reading people's body language and I have a lot of social anxiety/fear of bothering people, so I tend to be pretty quiet in social situations. I instinctively try to avoid anxiety by becoming as invisible as possible. If I can go out for coffee with classmates and listen to them talk to each other, without saying a word myself, that's often good enough for me.
On the other hand, I have an Aspie friend that also struggles with reading people and anxiety, but she is naturally more outgoing. When she feels anxious, she copes by becoming extremely talkative. She wants to escape her anxiety too, so she distracts herself from it by throwing herself into lively interaction. Same predicament, polar opposite ways of handling it.
When she's in sensory overload, she seeks comfort from others - asks friends to hold her hand, give her a big hug, generally hold her until she's feeling better. When I'm in sensory overload, I pity the person who comes within ten feet of me! When we're both overloaded, it's pretty awful, because she wants me to comfort her and I want to attack anything that tries to come near me. I just have to set her up with a cup of tea and a blanket or something and go away for some "me time" in another room so I don't blow my top, which she totally would not deserve.
I think a big difference between us is that I'm an introvert, and she's an extrovert. In some ways we're absolutely polar opposites. In fact sometimes it is really hard to relate to each other, especially regarding physical touch. Nonetheless, those who know what they're looking for can identify either of us as autistic pretty easily.
My main point is that we on the spectrum do share certain traits, yes, but we can express the traits in a myriad of ways. I think a lot of it depends not only on degree of severity, but also on personality, among other things. Just because you don't act like a "classically autistic person" doesn't necessarily mean you don't have underlying autistic traits. Don't discount your uniqueness as a person. I'm not saying you do, but I tend to discount mine a lot, and it ends up hurting me because I don't fit the autistic stereotype in some ways.
I have many... 'Contradictory traits' for an aspie.
I had posted a list why I can't relate to most aspies somewhere...
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I've never heard of that before. Could you give me an example of what concrete and abstract intelligence are?
Also, I think some ASD traits can be one extreme or the other, such as 'shows no affection at all' or 'hugs everyone they meet', 'overly sensitive to some stimuli' or 'not sensitive to it at all'.
And I suppose having to buy a gift for someone can be stressful for some Aspies as well, because it involves having to figure out what the other person could want and how much money is appropriate to spend for example.
