What your opinions on these people?

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01 Sep 2016, 7:07 pm

What are your opinions on the people who don't want to work and think society owes them a living?



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01 Sep 2016, 7:14 pm

I generally dislike that mindset unless it's thoroughly justified due to disability. One who couldn't move could at least use their voice in some job.



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01 Sep 2016, 10:39 pm

Mostly unfavorable, but I can't really blame people who think the dynamics of the job market are asinine (i.e. social skills counting for more than academic accomplishments) and decide to just give up.



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02 Sep 2016, 11:45 am

LookWhoItIs wrote:
Mostly unfavorable, but I can't really blame people who think the dynamics of the job market are asinine (i.e. social skills counting for more than academic accomplishments) and decide to just give up.

That's understandable, but in that case, wouldn't it be better to find help in that situation?



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02 Sep 2016, 1:06 pm

Jamesy wrote:
What are your opinions on the people who don't want to work and think society owes them a living?


I have yet to meet anyone that expresses any such sentiments IRL, but I would think that is not the best attitude to have.

I have certainly noticed people assuming anyone without a job must have this attitude, but how many people actually do I don't know as I haven't met any.


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02 Sep 2016, 1:08 pm

Cenabee wrote:
I generally dislike that mindset unless it's thoroughly justified due to disability. One who couldn't move could at least use their voice in some job.


What job...who is going to hire someone suffering paralysis. I mean what is thoroughly justified to you if you think even paralysis isn't a valid reason to not be working a job?


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02 Sep 2016, 1:39 pm

I don't think they are scum and need to die early, but I hold a grudge against them for not being responsible. I see the rate of people like this rising as colleges have safe spaces to coddle them from anything outside their comfort zones.



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04 Sep 2016, 3:26 am

Jamesy wrote:
What are your opinions on the people who don't want to work and think society owes them a living?


I far more often encounter people who want to work but have difficulty obtaining or holding a job, either due to ASD or health problems.

I think society should stop being so paranoid about the idea that some rare lazy person with nothing wrong with them, might get something for nothing, and focus more on addressing the issues that keep those with ASD and other disabilities out of the work force or chronically under employed.

Among these obstacles are...

1. In the US, employers can legally not hire someone who does not have their own transportation. As many people with disabilities don't drive, these jobs are out of reach for them.

2. Most employers will put up with someone who comes in to work 98% of the time, but not someone who only shows up 90% of the time, but many disabilities reduce a person's reliability to 90% or less.

3. Social skills. I once applied for a job at a local company here. When the hiring manager asked "What brings you to (name of company)?" I responded "I need a job." I did not understand at the time that what he intended to mean was "Why are you interested in working at our company?" Needless to say I was not hired.

4. People with disabilities who need accommodations have to often compete with non-disabled people, with the same skill sets, who do not require accommodations. Why would an employer hire a disabled individual who needs accommodations, all else being equal? That is the question the disabled person has to answer, and sometimes there is no answer.



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08 Sep 2016, 8:06 pm

I've struggled with being on disability and wanting to get off of it for a long time. If someone really feels like the world owes them I'm fine with that, what I'm not fine with is the government condoning that behavior. However, I think the future is probably going to have many more people in permanent joblessness due to robots. Its already happening too, and big corporations like google think that its just going to get worse.
I think in the future it might be a common thing to think that the rich should pay for you to live a subsistence lifestyle because thats going to be the only realistic option for most.