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nurseangela
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04 Oct 2016, 3:44 pm

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04 Oct 2016, 6:54 pm

Nope.
As Jacoby pointed our, environment. I think region is a much bigger player than any magic bullet junk science.

And the luxury of higher education education. Not because it makes student smarter or blue/red collar less intelligent (free thinking is not what universities uphold anymore) but because the insulation from harsh reality is prolonged in school. I was a Dem until the Gulf War. I was Independent or Ref party since.


Being rigid and set in ways is not "conservative" shorthand for "FISCAL conservative". Though right leaning are more likely traditionalist and more often do not like heavy handed changes.


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05 Oct 2016, 10:06 pm

Basically I like political system that is based on result rather than intent.

Any political system that reward or punish people based on merit and verifiable result is good. Any political or economical system that base anything on intent is going to be unfavorable for me because I often misjudged people's intent.



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06 Oct 2016, 12:19 am

AgusCahyo wrote:
Basically I like political system that is based on result rather than intent.

Any political system that reward or punish people based on merit and verifiable result is good. Any political or economical system that base anything on intent is going to be unfavorable for me because I often misjudged people's intent.


I quite like that. In any case, politicians who are married to an ideology drive me bonkers. If ideology is what they want, they need to secure an academic position and write books.

In my country the left are technocrats with minimal knowledge of the real world, and the right seems committed to reenact every mistake ever made by Thatcher and Reagan. The current government is stuck in a time warp.


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06 Oct 2016, 2:22 am

AgusCahyo wrote:
Basically I like political system that is based on result rather than intent.

Any political system that reward or punish people based on merit and verifiable result is good. Any political or economical system that base anything on intent is going to be unfavorable for me because I often misjudged people's intent.


One of the thing that I like about free market is it's very result oriented. Every body knows no body would buy stocks expecting it to lose. When you buy a stock and lost money it must be undeliberate.

Guess what?

Free market judge people based on result. So it's up to you to predict the stocks accurately. You are not judged by the soundness of your reasoning. Do whatever you want. You win, it's yours. You lose it's not yours. You don't even have to be correct. Results are all that matter.

One of the thing that I am annoyed is people complaining about college debt. Yes it seems that the person is doing the right thing. He goes to college. Probably pick humanity major. And then he's in huge debt flipping burger.

To me, that is not an excuse. That is not people out of luck. To me, it's his fault. He got what he deserves. And at this point I start seeing that what excuse would be a good excuse then? I guess none. Do whatever you want. You got what you got. If you fail to get rich, then tough.



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06 Oct 2016, 3:54 am

AgusCahyo wrote:
AgusCahyo wrote:
Basically I like political system that is based on result rather than intent.

Any political system that reward or punish people based on merit and verifiable result is good. Any political or economical system that base anything on intent is going to be unfavorable for me because I often misjudged people's intent.


One of the thing that I like about free market is it's very result oriented. Every body knows no body would buy stocks expecting it to lose. When you buy a stock and lost money it must be undeliberate.

Guess what?

Free market judge people based on result. So it's up to you to predict the stocks accurately. You are not judged by the soundness of your reasoning. Do whatever you want. You win, it's yours. You lose it's not yours. You don't even have to be correct. Results are all that matter.

One of the thing that I am annoyed is people complaining about college debt. Yes it seems that the person is doing the right thing. He goes to college. Probably pick humanity major. And then he's in huge debt flipping burger.

To me, that is not an excuse. That is not people out of luck. To me, it's his fault. He got what he deserves. And at this point I start seeing that what excuse would be a good excuse then? I guess none. Do whatever you want. You got what you got. If you fail to get rich, then tough.


Are you familiar with the work of Nassim Nicholas Taleb? I think you underestimate the role of randomness, legal structures and the way humans are influenced by emotions when making decisions. Not to mention incomplete access to information.

I still haven't found that perfect world where things are predictable and people make sense.


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06 Oct 2016, 1:43 pm

In my experience I haven't really seen much of a difference in the political make up of AS as compared to the overall political field.



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07 Oct 2016, 5:40 am

The only thing that really unites us is our symptoms and our relationship with society. Other than that, we tend to come in all sorts of flavors and our political views tend to develop similarly to how a NT's might develop; parental influence, region, culture, political climate in childhood, education, exposure to propaganda, etc.

Personally, I'm a Democratic Socialist. The only thing conservative about me is my sense of fashion.



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07 Oct 2016, 5:43 am

Pileo wrote:
The only thing that really unites us is our symptoms and our relationship with society. Other than that, we tend to come in all sorts of flavors and our political views tend to develop similarly to how a NT's might develop; parental influence, region, culture, political climate in childhood, education, exposure to propaganda, etc.

Personally, I'm a Democratic Socialist. The only thing conservative about me is my sense of fashion.
I would agree with this though personally I see allot of Aspies leaning towards the left in most of their political.



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07 Oct 2016, 4:09 pm

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One of the thing that I am annoyed is people complaining about college debt. Yes it seems that the person is doing the right thing. He goes to college. Probably pick humanity major. And then he's in huge debt flipping burger.

To me, that is not an excuse. That is not people out of luck. To me, it's his fault. He got what he deserves. And at this point I start seeing that what excuse would be a good excuse then? I guess none. Do whatever you want. You got what you got. If you fail to get rich, then tough.


You're out of touch. Employers don't care about what you majored in. They care that you finished a degree. I live in a university town, so having a surplus of graduates is a problem. Most of them end up finding jobs outside their degree. Those who do end up finding a job that has to do with their degree (i.e. doctors), have such high debt that they're not making profit.

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Pileo wrote:
The only thing that really unites us is our symptoms and our relationship with society. Other than that, we tend to come in all sorts of flavors and our political views tend to develop similarly to how a NT's might develop; parental influence, region, culture, political climate in childhood, education, exposure to propaganda, etc.

Personally, I'm a Democratic Socialist. The only thing conservative about me is my sense of fashion.


I would agree with this though personally I see allot of Aspies leaning towards the left in most of their political.


I've seen it myself, but I chaulked it up to being from a Liberal/Socialist area.

It makes sense we would be. We benefit from a left-wing society and we're not known for being unintelligent. I got a good job, but the only reason I got it was via a left-wing program provided by the Department of Human Services. Without this program, I would be a burden on society.



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07 Oct 2016, 11:46 pm

I'm economically conservative but socially liberal, though compared to the people on campus I'm also socially conservative (I'm sorry but designated safe spaces are the opposite of helpful; that's what headphones are for). I'm socially liberal because I know from experience what it is like to be less fortunate (I'm from a low income family as well as being disabled, though I don't see it as an excuse). However, I'm economically conservative because I've seen how excessive handouts can harm society (or at least my town; people say that "welfare queens" are a myth but I've had experience with those types of people). So it's tangentially related to my Asperger's but it's more about the community I grew up in.



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10 Oct 2016, 2:09 pm

I don't think AS inherently leads to you adopt any particular position. I've come into contact with people with AS on the far-right and far-left. Environment is the primary determining factor for the most part.



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11 Oct 2016, 10:56 am

I don't adhere to any political position, but I am as far from conservative as one can get. :) I am absolutely embittered by the U.S. two-party system and big-money interests , so I don't take part in politics at all.



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11 Oct 2016, 10:46 pm

Well personally I am not conservative at all. More of a Democratic Socialist. But in Europe many of my views possibly would be on the conservative side. But as an American socialism is a dirty word and since I don't think guns are a right, Obama is an American, and church and state should be separate I do not fit with our cons.

The only thing I can relate to them on is the concern over surveillance and a goverment that is too big for its own good. But I also think that the goverment owes it's citizens some basic services such as health care and education in exchange for taxes. So we do need a large goverment in some areas.



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15 Oct 2016, 8:34 pm

I'm conservative because I'm conservative. I'm a product of my upbringing, if anything. I'm the only Tory supporter in my college class (which has led to some amusing situations this week alone). I was actually undecided what I supported before I started college, but I always assumed I leaned politically right - not that far right, but right enough for the left-leaning perspective of sociology to irritate me. The subject is fascinating, but my tutor is way too enthusiastic in his dislike for the political right.

I do want to see controls on immigration - not so much you could accurately call me a fascist, but there needs to be some sort of order that we aren't getting at the minute. I do want to see people getting off their backsides and become more responsible for themselves when possible (because most are capable). I don't believe in Labour's "give people everything" approach to benefits. I mean, I don't exactly agree with cuts, but there's got to be some give and take. IDS is a joke to me. In fact, IDS was a joke to everyone in Friday morning's sociology lesson.

And to be honest, people might moan about the NHS under the Conservative party, but the NHS under Cameron (and now May) has done far more for me than it did under Blair and Brown. This year alone I have been given nine counselling sessions rather than the six they normally fund at my local hospital, and I've just received confirmation that they've decided to fund my referral outside my CCG to adult autism services in Sheffield (thanks to a rather friendly psychiatric nurse I had earlier this year). Under Labour, I wasn't even able to get a diagnosis despite being obviously depressed (cutting, suicidal and almost house-bound).

I think it's important to stress that I don't want the health service privatised - I need NHS counsellors to be accessible to me, but we really need some sort of system in place to try and combat health tourism, because it's not a myth, it happens. There needs to be some sort of eligibility criteria for those who just walk in to A&E and expect to be treated. I accept that the lines are a bit more blurred for those taken by ambulance. When I went to A&E in March, they didn't even ask for an address.

I'm a Conservative supporter. I'm also a "Vote Leave" person. It's not all about fascism and immigration (like someone tried to tell me a few days ago). I don't trust the Labour party, never have, nor do I trust Brussels. I believe that we need a certain degree of autonomy. Brexit is happening and the rest of the population need to understand that.

But I wouldn't say it's because I'm an Aspie (which is a highly likely scenario, I haven't been officially diagnosed yet, but I've had professionals suggest it in the past, plus my mum recognises things in me that are a problem for her, as part of her diagnosis). It's almost certainly because of my extremely pro-socialist upbringing. I don't like the political left. I mean, I don't particularly like Donald Trump either, but even so...I have faith in the British Conservative party.

I'm just...that way inclined. I don't like change, but the same can be said for plenty of lefties. That's why protests happen.


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15 Oct 2016, 8:54 pm

Flown wrote:
I don't adhere to any political position, but I am as far from conservative as one can get. :) I am absolutely embittered by the U.S. two-party system and big-money interests , so I don't take part in politics at all.


Great reason to go vote a 3rd party. Realize only around 50% of eligible voters actually register and vote...if that other half would find it in themselves to cast a ballot AGAINST the two parties they despise we'd have a third or even four parties, and it would be a lot harder for money to control.