I'm out of the loop

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It's like everyone can think A implies B implies C implies D (etc), which then people logically take steps of A implies C implies E. Meanwhile, it's like I'm at B implies D implies F.

So...are you saying that you are one step ahead of everyone else? Or that you are behind everyone else?

Yes :-p

Its more of a different perspective than anything, because its like my nodes are different, but its possible for either mine or theirs to change, with a lot of thought.

Right, logic becomes self-referential eventually, so everything will eventually imply A again, but I'll still be implying B. Ergo, my loop is seemingly different than everyone else's loop.


And clearly, from this very topic alone, I think weirdly.

The 'A' group or whatever you want to call it, see the world from mirrors, the 'B' group sees the world from themselves.

Or maybe the A group sees the world in both mirror and non-mirror form. I wouldn't know, I can't perceive it most of the time.

No, wait, this is it, what I was trying to get at.

I see myself as myself. I see other people's projections of themselves only. Other people only see me as a projection. But I think other people can see themselves as themselves and also as their projections. They can see their reflection. I don't see mine.

If this is what happens if I don't have 'mirror' neurons (I have not really read anything about them at all), then this is me.

Where the logic comes into play is that I decide things based purely on someone's action A to imply B to imply C, but I don't -know- what B is for them, so I simply go straight to C, whereas other people seem to be able to experience B within themselves, and then they use the experience of B to determine C.

Any experience I have had of being able to see myself outwardly and then apply that to an inward experience to finally -see- the -real- connection, its like my consciousness becomes a derivative of itself, literally a higher-level experience. It happens rarely. Marijuana enables it, but not always.

Let me try to help you out with this.

They say that autistics have no theory of mind (ie cant figure out what others are thinking).

The problem maybe that autistics DO have theory of mind, but they have the wrong theory of mind. They project themselves onto others (just as NTs do). But since autistics think differently than do most people projecting themselves doesnt work because they are projecting their own minority autistic thought processes upon folks who are of the NT majority- so autistics fail at figuring out NTs (ie most people). But NTs correctly figure out most other folks who are their fellows NTs.

Could THAT be what you are trying to say?

I thought you meant literally being kept out of the loop?

My parents and family did this my entire life. Actually it is so bad, I can only refer to is as being gaslighted.