Psychology: Social Justice Warriors & Political Correctness

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Darmok
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12 Nov 2016, 3:28 pm

This guy is really good.

This short interview is Jordan Peterson, a research psychologist at the University of Toronto, and one of his graduate students discussing the psychological traits of political correctness advocates and social justice warriors. The grad student in particular talks about research on how these political attitudes are outgrowths of parent-child protection instincts, with the SJWs seeing themselves as the moral parents who must protect their "infants" (i.e., minorities, women, immigrants, and any other oppressed class) from harm.



Now, absorb that for a moment, and then look at these two examples from this week.

The University of Michigan Law School (the LAW SCHOOL!) set up this post-election event for its students (LAW STUDENTS!) with coloring sheets, play-doh, and bubbles, so they could process their feeling about the election:

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Second, in the last couple of days SJWs on Twitter have apparently got the hashtag #safetypin going, as a symbol to tell minorities, immigrants, women, etc., that they are "safe" with the aforesaid SJWs:

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The message to minorities, women, immigrants, etc. is: I know you're afraid, my little babies, but don't worry, mommy is here and will protect you.


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12 Nov 2016, 3:53 pm

Darmok wrote:
The University of Michigan Law School (the LAW SCHOOL!) set up this post-election event for its students (LAW STUDENTS!) with coloring sheets, play-doh, and bubbles, so they could process their feeling about the election:


Wow that's a trip. Then again to get $50,000 a year out of these kids they'd probably provide free escort services if it were legal.

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In a way that's kind of touching. It even reminds me a bit of the Rosicrucian Contribution to Peace, just that SJW's unfortunately seem to be translating that impulse in about the most boneheaded way possible in turning this whole thing in an authoritarian direction.


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12 Nov 2016, 4:36 pm

^ I guess these guys weren't Rosicrucians:



Poor fellow on the ground should have remembered to wear his safety pin.


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12 Nov 2016, 4:38 pm

Lol yeah, probably not.

Maybe we need a red, white, and blue pin with the message that we'll stand beside you and protect you from getting beat up regardless of who you voted for. That's a pin I'd wear.


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12 Nov 2016, 5:15 pm

Darmok wrote:
^ I guess these guys weren't Rosicrucians:



Poor fellow on the ground should have remembered to wear his safety pin.

This wasn't political, it was a traffic dispute that escalated.



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12 Nov 2016, 5:20 pm

I never thought of it that way. I could definitely see some SJWs being overly maternal and protective. A lot of them are very violent though. Not just overprotective, but actually hateful, as in the video posted earlier on this thread.



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12 Nov 2016, 5:42 pm

One thing Jordan often says, almost on repeat, is that Marxist Leninism of the sort that constitutes leftist activism is a system of thought that advocates watching any game, taking note of those who are well off, taking note of those who are worse off, and encouraging those who are worse off to take those who are better off by violence. It's purely destructive, non value-adding, and by design is in a state of massive perpetual failure that makes the modern baby-boomer office fiefdom inefficiencies look like savant productivity by comparison.

The problem with the sort of behavior he's talking about, as he notes, is that those who are better off are the producers, they're the hirers, they're the successful farmers (such as in the case of the Russian kulaks), they're the people who have a system of adding value to society built about as well as it can be built to the knowledge of the present players. Those who go for the notion of taking the farm by storm and dividing up the spoils typically have no idea how to farm, or if it's a business how to do better with it than that sole proprietor or board and upper management who ran it. Part of the starvation and constant failure under Stalin and later Krhrushchev wasn't just the deliberate starvation of the Ukraine or the party confiscation of the grain from the peasants and leaving them on something like the North Korean diet; it was huge inefficiencies. Worse, as I recall from part of Gulag Archipelago, they weren't just rounding up political enemies, they were rounding up any ghosts or phantoms that reminded them of political enemies - including reemerging farmers who were starting to do well again because they reminded them of kulaks.

The whole thing leads not just to collective insanity but horrific violence. While I don't think SJW's themselves have it in them to round up the cis-normatives in camps (the image is completely laughable) I do share Peterson's concern that they'll do such a good job of eroding free speech that something quite serious and quite capable of the task could come up behind them once they've started it in motion.


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12 Nov 2016, 10:50 pm

Darmok wrote:
The message to minorities, women, immigrants, etc. is: I know you're afraid, my little babies, but don't worry, mommy is here and will protect you.

That's an awfully cynical view you have there. Were you not hugged enough as a child, or...?



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13 Nov 2016, 10:22 am

Do you notice next to nothing is ever done to protect those with ASD by the SJW's? they'll protest over someone being "misgendered" but if a person with ASD is attacked (like the poor little boy set on fire months back by his "friends") they're dead silent **crickets**.



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13 Nov 2016, 10:57 am

Darmok wrote:
This guy is really good.

This short interview is Jordan Peterson, a research psychologist at the University of Toronto, and one of his graduate students discussing the psychological traits of political correctness advocates and social justice warriors. The grad student in particular talks about research on how these political attitudes are outgrowths of parent-child protection instincts, with the SJWs seeing themselves as the moral parents who must protect their "infants" (i.e., minorities, women, immigrants, and any other oppressed class) from harm.


It's a good thing that psychology isn't a real science.



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13 Nov 2016, 11:17 am

The_Walrus wrote:
This wasn't political, it was a traffic dispute that escalated.


There seems to be a huge increase of fake stories being circulated by both sides right now in an attempt to demonize the other. It's sad and distracting.



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13 Nov 2016, 11:21 am

Feyokien wrote:
It's a good thing that psychology isn't a real science.

The beauty of that is one can that much more easily take what they want to hear and reject what they don't want to hear. They still can and will do that with 'real science' but it's just a lot more socially acceptable do that with the so-called soft sciences.


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13 Nov 2016, 11:52 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Feyokien wrote:
It's a good thing that psychology isn't a real science.

The beauty of that is one can that much more easily take what they want to hear and reject what they don't want to hear. They still can and will do that with 'real science' but it's just a lot more socially acceptable do that with the so-called soft sciences.


Yeah unfortunately. Pieces like Darmok has above for example instantly lose their credibility when they use pejorative terms like "SJW" and reveal themselves to be instantly politically/agenda motivated and not at all centered in reality.



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13 Nov 2016, 11:59 am

Jordan said something really important between 16:00 and 16:30

What he's saying is that liberal personalities are more inventive and creative, conservative personalities are more industrious, and that a healthy economy includes a circulation between the two where the activities of both aid the other. His more specific suggestion was that liberals were inherently more entrepreneurial and that their higher and middle management would usually be conservative based on the roles. Going by what he's saying I'd have to guess that R&D would be liberal and that when you see this mass accumulation of holding companies buying up other companies for their R&D rather than doing it themselves, then stopping that company's R&D, homogenizing it to the parent company's way of doing things, and then racing to go out and by more companies who do good R&D - that's an imbalance of conscientiousness at the expense of creativity.

It really sounds like what he's suggesting as well might be that conservatives have a tendency toward managerial myopia and not being able to think past month-end or quarter-end with respect to investment and results.


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13 Nov 2016, 11:59 am

Feyokien wrote:
Yeah unfortunately. Pieces like Darmok has above for example instantly lose their credibility when they use pejorative terms like "SJW" and reveal themselves to be instantly politically/agenda motivated and not at all centered in reality.

Did you watch the video?


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13 Nov 2016, 3:25 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
Darmok wrote:
^ I guess these guys weren't Rosicrucians:



Poor fellow on the ground should have remembered to wear his safety pin.

This wasn't political, it was a traffic dispute that escalated.


Where's your proof? Even if it was it certainly became political I'd pulled my gun and if they didn't stop shot them. That violence is not ok regardless of situation.

People always make excuses for these actions . There's no excuse for multiple people to beat up someone

Stuff like that and all these riots are exactly why I carry