Muslims in everyday American life.

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They have jobs in businesses and may own them. They are good hearted, kind people. We have been interacting with them for years. Many have positive opinions about these interactions. So, let's not forget reality in the midst of hysteria. No one likes being falsely accused of something they aren't. When everyone believes everyone else is bad we've lost that special quality that allows us to exist productively and peacefully.

I worked with a number of muslims during the 1990's. They all had moved here to escape Jahidism and pursue the American dream.

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The majority of Muslims who legally migrate to America manage to integrate reasonably well, largely because the US has fairly sensible migration policies. It's part of the reason you don't see the same issues that Europe is facing with its massive influx of migrants.

This implies that the majority of Muslims who migrate to Europe don't integrate well, which frankly I don't think is true at all. In day-to-day life, the average Muslim in Britain is more or less indistinguishable from the average non-Muslim. I can't necessarily speak for Belgium or Germany or France but I don't have a reason to think things are different there.

The problem with France is that they are conformist xenophobes, they've had the most problems with Muslim immigrants because they have the most problem with Muslim immigrants. When you ban the hijab, you can't expect people who wear the hijab to take kindly to that.

Not with anything like the same degree of success, no. Countless polls of British Muslims (who I agree are among the best integrated in Europe) show majority support for Sharia, intolerance for homosexuality, etc. I very much doubt that a US police department would allow organised abduction and rape of children to occur for fear of being labelled racist, either.

It is quite correct that Muslims don't integrate as well in Europe. I'm not from the area enough to say what the exact problems would be, but I think it's an area that they ought to work on. Especially because hopefully sensible reform would keep UKIP and National Front down, as parties like those are angry hungry dogs, ready to rip out the throat of society.

I wouldn't put UKIP in anything like the same category as the National Front, and believe they'd actually make a decent job of running the country. Their greatest achievement has been to force the Conservatives to adapt their policies and strategy in order to appeal to those voters who voiced their discontent at the previous election. Had they continued to ignore them, the next election would almost certainly have ended up with a hung parliament. At the moment, the Conservative Party has the House of Commons locked down.

UKIP's role in UK politics is effectively to keep the Tories honest, which Labour were never capable of doing. Much as I would personally see the Lib Dems running things (whatever else they are, they've always been fantastic administrators), they stopped being a legitimate power many years ago. But I digress.

The reasons many immigrant groups tend to be less successful in Europe (including the UK) include the sheer numbers we bring in at a time, and the tendency for mono-ethnic immigrant communities to form. We all know how bad segregated ghettos can be for both the locals and the locality. Mass migration of people might be fantastic for corporations looking to score cheap labour, but it can wreak havoc on towns and cities if the immigrant population forms a critical mass.

The US is much more choosy in who it allows to immigrate from overseas(big part of the issue with our unsecured southern border) whereas Europe has former colonial commitments and seems to let people walk in from wherever. American Muslims tend to be better educated professionals with a household net worth above the average in this country. I think another part of it is the fact the US is a country of immigrants whereas Europe is a collection of ethno-states that have separated themselves after hundreds of years of war, one cannot be truly be English without being English or German without being German so there will always be a disconnect. European nationalism is very hard to disconnect from ethnic nationalism as that is the reality of European identity, the US has it's own unique brand of civic nationalism that Europe cannot replicate.

The Chinese seems to be pretty good at forming mono-ethnic communities in many countries, including the USA.

The Chinese are also very good at just blending in in existing communities in many countries as well.

The people who want to monitor Muslim Americans, or even deport them, are the real dangerous fanatics.

The people naive enough to believe they aren't already being monitored are a danger to themselves.

Why, and by who?

NSA already works with all companies to monitor us all. This has all been simi public and also leaked by Snowden.
They listen to our calls, read our emails and internet usage. There's not such thing as privacy. Your likely find It in all those terms and conditions we all agree to that are 1000s of pages long.

From what I've been told a Muslim registry happen after 9/11.

As there are literally millions upon millions of us Americans, they can try to monitor us all they like, but they'd be swamped with almost entirely useless information. In fact, that thought almost makes me wish they did, as they'd be going literally insane from mundane dirty talk, concerns about illness, b*tching about petty stuff, trying to convert sinners to Jesus, teenage girls talking about that cute guy in class, or teenage guys talking about that hot chick in class, etc.
As for a Muslim registry - I believe that was given up on back under Bush II, when it was realized how much it violated civil liberties. That is hardly any different from Jews having to wear yellow stars under the Nazis.