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Do you think he is like Hitler?
Yes 24%  24%  [ 17 ]
No 49%  49%  [ 34 ]
I hope not 21%  21%  [ 15 ]
I don't know 6%  6%  [ 4 ]
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28 Nov 2016, 9:01 pm

To be fair to Hitler--can't believe I just typed that, but--he was an excellent orator. Trump is not an excellent orator, or even a fair one. He's a terrible orator, but that actually seems to appeal to millions of morons who think he sounds just like themselves: vacuously moronic.

Also, Hitler actually had ideas of his own, and knew how to surround himself with capable people to help him carry out his ideas. Trump is too stupid for original thought, and too narcissistic and lacking in self-awareness to surround himself with anyone but incompetent sycophantic cronies.

ETA: except for Pence. The rest of the people Trump has chosen seem like incompetent morons, but as much as I disagree with Pence's stances on every single issue I can't deny he seems like a competent politician.


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28 Nov 2016, 9:03 pm

Yeah...Hitler had ideas of his own.

Genocidal ones, in addition to some ideas which might have served to reduce the hyperinflation which was raging at that time.

That's why I'm glad Trump is not Hitler. That's why I'm glad he has no "ideas."

He's just a businessman with a businessman's ethos.

That's the crux of the reason why Trump is no Hitler.



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29 Nov 2016, 12:08 am

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The House is controlled by Republicans. Do you think the Republican House would originate a bill of impeachment against Trump.


I think they would, and it's not at all unlikely we'll see this happen.


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29 Nov 2016, 1:28 am

Hitler took credit for a lot of other people's ideas. He took credit for the generals plans, then later let it get to his head and so overruled them, leading to a disastrous 2nd half of the war. He wasn't responsible for the great military successs. He didn't even think up r play the final solution, that was himler and others. He had his speeches writing and was taught how to preform great speeches. What he was was ambitious and confident. He also like Stalin wasn't afraid to betray his former allies to succeed. A lot of hitler was a show run with people behind the scenes that he eventually adopted as his identity, but in the end that's all it was. He even waited til last minute to marry his secret gf all to keep up that identity. The real hitler was a scared mommas boy who liked to draw.
Ambition, confidence, craziness from a abusve father, losing his mom, being the sole survivor of multiple units. Ring wiped out and then falling in with the wrong crowd after the war. It's a wonder think what might have been if he'd been accepted to art school, if his mom hadn't died, if ww1 wouldn't have happen. Would he been seen as a great artist instead. We'll Never know. Hitler was the product of a lot of things, as was Stalin and hussan, there's lots of studies , they shared similar up bringing and lost of mothers. What makes such people.
As for what makes dictators, populations use to authoritarian control. Europe is very use to being ruled by kings. Is it any wonder Germany turned to him, he offered them a king they wanted the past where they were told what to do. Similar to Russia today.
Even Western Europe is far more in favor of authoritarian rule then the USA. 200+ years of doing it our way rebellious teen lol. We told the kings and queens to shove it.

I could see how having a emperor and suddenly having him overthrown by foreign nations who kept theirs, then having a failing republic, then here comes this guy who says he'll take charge and tell you what to do again would be tempting. I personally like to decide what I do, always have always will.

To quote Star Wars "So this is how liberty dies...with thunderous applause"

The democrats applauded liberty dying some now they face the pointy end of their sharpen stick. Quite sad how many cheered them on then.



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29 Nov 2016, 1:46 pm

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The democrats applauded liberty dying some now they face the pointy end of their sharpen stick. Quite sad how many cheered them on then.


The Republicans have stood beside them applauding every bit as loudly.


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30 Nov 2016, 1:02 am

Yves Smith at Naked Capitalism wrote:
Over Thanksgiving weekend, the Washington Post legitimated a thin, amateurish site whose principals have libeled not only Naked Capitalism but also Ron Paul’s institute, former Reagan Administration officials David Stockman and Paul Craig Roberts, well-respected progressive stalwarts, such as Counterpunch, Truthout, TruthDig, and Black Agenda Report, as supposed Russian propaganda outlets with foreign “coordinators.” Moreover, with no supporting evidence whatsoever, this site called for everyone on its list to be investigated by the FBI and DoJ for Espionage Act violations.

The common denominator for all these websites seems to be skepticism about the failed Clinton coronation.

This is intimidation of the most crass sort. Make no mistake: this isn’t about media, it’s about a wholesale attack by the Democratic establishment on anything they don’t like, which includes the Naked Capitalism community. This version is a lunatic conspiracy theory, that the election was stolen by Putin, and no different from the ones the ones peddled by the right, like birtherism and climate change denial.

from Naked Capitalism.

The website referred to is ProporNot.

So, possibly there is a modern-day Hitler. Only, perhaps, it's not Trump.



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30 Nov 2016, 1:17 am

AJisHere wrote:
sly279 wrote:
The democrats applauded liberty dying some now they face the pointy end of their sharpen stick. Quite sad how many cheered them on then.


The Republicans have stood beside them applauding every bit as loudly.

What. They fillabusted it at every step. The whole thing was against them, why would they cheer being attached by the left ? Will they use it now absolutely. What goes areound comes around, karma is getting back at the democrats now.



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30 Nov 2016, 2:48 am

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What goes areound comes around, karma is getting back at the democrats now.

Indeed, no good deed go unpunished. It would teach them about wanting to help the poor; better to screw them and blame those who want to help them, so you can take away their freedom and their money while they thank you and bow to you. :twisted:


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30 Nov 2016, 3:25 am

sly279 wrote:
AJisHere wrote:
sly279 wrote:
The democrats applauded liberty dying some now they face the pointy end of their sharpen stick. Quite sad how many cheered them on then.


The Republicans have stood beside them applauding every bit as loudly.

What. They fillabusted it at every step. The whole thing was against them, why would they cheer being attached by the left ? Will they use it now absolutely. What goes areound comes around, karma is getting back at the democrats now.
Where were they in 2000 at the signing of the Patriot Act. They didn't raise and eyebrow just played along with the mass surveilence George Bush wanted.



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30 Nov 2016, 4:56 pm

Trump is a Kleptocrat but the vessel he has risen to power with is very dangerous. Fear and anger are very dangerous weapons and he uses them very effectively. It's unfortunate neither side wants to listen to the other because it's a rather dangerous path we are on and there is a lot on the line.


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01 Dec 2016, 1:02 am

Shahunshah wrote:
sly279 wrote:
AJisHere wrote:
sly279 wrote:
The democrats applauded liberty dying some now they face the pointy end of their sharpen stick. Quite sad how many cheered them on then.


The Republicans have stood beside them applauding every bit as loudly.

What. They fillabusted it at every step. The whole thing was against them, why would they cheer being attached by the left ? Will they use it now absolutely. What goes areound comes around, karma is getting back at the democrats now.
Where were they in 2000 at the signing of the Patriot Act. They didn't raise and eyebrow just played along with the mass surveilence George Bush wanted.

Didn't see any democrats complaining either. People were so riled up over 9/11 they'd agreeed to anything if told it'd stop the bastadrds who attacked us. Same as after 12/7/41.



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01 Dec 2016, 1:16 am

sly279 wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
sly279 wrote:
AJisHere wrote:
sly279 wrote:
The democrats applauded liberty dying some now they face the pointy end of their sharpen stick. Quite sad how many cheered them on then.


The Republicans have stood beside them applauding every bit as loudly.

What. They fillabusted it at every step. The whole thing was against them, why would they cheer being attached by the left ? Will they use it now absolutely. What goes areound comes around, karma is getting back at the democrats now.
Where were they in 2000 at the signing of the Patriot Act. They didn't raise and eyebrow just played along with the mass surveilence George Bush wanted.

Didn't see any democrats complaining either. People were so riled up over 9/11 they'd agreeed to anything if told it'd stop the bastadrds who attacked us. Same as after 12/7/41.
And who pushed the agenda and said to congress this was a good idea. The Republican President, George W. Bush.

1941 was different the USA had no choice, it was go to war or risk US lands being attacked by a foreign power. 2001 was different you could argue that the Patriot Act was just an uneccessary trashing of the bill of rights.



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01 Dec 2016, 12:31 pm

Shahunshah wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
sly279 wrote:
AJisHere wrote:
sly279 wrote:
The democrats applauded liberty dying some now they face the pointy end of their sharpen stick. Quite sad how many cheered them on then.


The Republicans have stood beside them applauding every bit as loudly.

What. They fillabusted it at every step. The whole thing was against them, why would they cheer being attached by the left ? Will they use it now absolutely. What goes areound comes around, karma is getting back at the democrats now.
Where were they in 2000 at the signing of the Patriot Act. They didn't raise and eyebrow just played along with the mass surveilence George Bush wanted.

Didn't see any democrats complaining either. People were so riled up over 9/11 they'd agreeed to anything if told it'd stop the bastadrds who attacked us. Same as after 12/7/41.
And who pushed the agenda and said to congress this was a good idea. The Republican President, George W. Bush.

1941 was different the USA had no choice, it was go to war or risk US lands being attacked by a foreign power. 2001 was different you could argue that the Patriot Act was just an uneccessary trashing of the bill of rights.


And post 9/11 it was seen the same. I think most everyone wanted revenge and supported invading Afghan and the patriot act.

What about all the horrible crap obama has done.
I'll take republicans for freedom over democrats anyway. Never said their 100% better but they'll better when it comes to the bill of rights.

Only thing democrats are good for is supporting welfare, that's about it. They've gon into the gutter and seem to want to stay there well most America doesn't want to live under an authoritarian control and have our lives dictated at every step. Living in fear of saying anything or being branded racist and locked up in prison(which is how the democrats want it) I'm so utterly sick of democrats. My life had been living in fear day after day about their push for bans in guns or criminalizing free speech or limiting what freaking food I can eat.

Here's a secret. Americans hate being told what they can do. If you say they can't do something then their run out in mass and do it. Banned alcohol and most everyone was like f no and went and bought it illegally, same with weed and other drugs. Americans do what they want and will often do more of the things you don't like just cause you told them not to. It's a rebel mindset that's been in our blood since we told the English crown to F off. Every attempt or mention of banning guns drove gun sells up crazy amounts. People who never thought of owning a gun went and bought one cause no one going tell them what they can't own. Now they're gun owners with something to lose, and so their fight back even more against gun control. Democrats essentially creating more enemies with every gun control push. Deeper they push the more they lose. Hopefully the next 4 years will see every gun control law they got over the last 200 years repealed. Have them back to 0. NFA is first on the gutting block. Let people have full auto machine guns if they want hells yeah. A full auto rifle shouldn't cost 10 times what a simi auto one cost. It's just one part and few more cuts in the receiver.

At very least I can relax and hopefully not be super stressed and afraid every day that they'll going ban guns or further attack me. But gun owners are organizing to push forward. Now shot a time to sleep. The enemy's retreating time to take ground for once. We've been on the defensive for too long.



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01 Dec 2016, 5:56 pm

The NFA doesn't ban anything: it only taxes certain weapons.

The machinegun ban was passed in 1986 as an amendment to the Firearm Owners Protection Act.

I do support repealing the ban, but don't consider such a repeal likely.


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01 Dec 2016, 11:26 pm

sly279 wrote:
Here's a secret. Americans hate being told what they can do. If you say they can't do something then their run out in mass and do it. Banned alcohol and most everyone was like f no and went and bought it illegally, same with weed and other drugs. Americans do what they want and will often do more of the things you don't like just cause you told them not to. It's a rebel mindset that's been in our blood since we told the English crown to F off.nt hells yeah. A full auto rifle shouldn't cost 10 times what a simi auto one cost. It's just one part and few more cuts in the receiver.


Funny because the war on drugs was a Republican idea. And the stiff penalties associated with it have strong Republican support. Paying for your own incarceration is also strongly supported by Republicans, as is denying the right of a felon to vote.


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02 Dec 2016, 1:12 am

beneficii wrote:
The NFA doesn't ban anything: it only taxes certain weapons.

The machinegun ban was passed in 1986 as an amendment to the Firearm Owners Protection Act.

I do support repealing the ban, but don't consider such a repeal likely.

The nfa classified machine guns as restricted
1968 just made it so no permits would be issued. Remove the nfa and the 1986 law is pointless. Since you wouldn't need permits anymore for them. There's already a bill to take silencers off the nfa that has enough support to pass, they've just been waiting for a new president since Obama would just veto it. Next will be sbrs then full auto