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skafather84
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16 May 2007, 4:17 pm

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not reported by fox news: they also took away photos of his daughter, gave him the wrong prescription strength glasses and didn't allow him recreation a lot of times.
Well, yeah. It's a military prison, and the guy is probably an innocent civilian who's never endured the slightest hardship since the day he was born.



a majority of those taken into guantanamo from afghanistan were kidnapped by the northern alliance because grabbing any brown person and bringing them to the US and saying they're a terrorist got money for them.


it's like a case where someone tries to say they're not crazy....anyone trying to claim that they're sane just sounds more crazy.



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16 May 2007, 5:47 pm

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a majority of those taken into guantanamo from afghanistan were kidnapped by the northern alliance because grabbing any brown person and bringing them to the US and saying they're a terrorist got money for them.


The Northern Alliance represented the bulk of the fighting force against the Taliban and al-Qaeda.

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Of the estimated 70,000 battlefield captures that were made in Afghanistan, only a tiny percentage, something on the order of 800-plus, were eventually evacuated to GITMO. These were the worst of the worst. More than 200 have been released back to their home country – if the U.S. is assured that the detainees would not be tortured by local authorities upon return. These men were freed because they were deemed by ongoing official military review processes to no longer pose a threat, or to possess no useful intelligence. And this process has proven too generous at times: more than 10 released GITMO detainees have been killed or recaptured fighting Americans or have been identified as resuming terrorist activities. Still, the process is up and running for review of cases, and if a Washington DC circuit court approves a government appeal, the system for military tribunals will get started. All mechanisms are in place and ready to go as soon as DoD gets a green light.



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16 May 2007, 5:56 pm

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not reported by fox news: they also took away photos of his daughter, gave him the wrong prescription strength glasses and didn't allow him recreation a lot of times.


1. He isn't covered by the Geneva Convention anyway so it doesn't legally matter (although the U.S. has decided to act as if it does)
2. Even assuming this is true, this is hardly something so terrible as to rise to the level of a national story. I understand that what torture is is subjective, but you are defining torture pretty low to get to this level. Even using the word "abuse" which seems entirely appropriate for abu-Graib seems somewhat much. Maybe some guards broke the rules, i don't know, but there isn't anything clearly obviously evil from this stuff. Also, it's a detention facility, not a luxury hotel. "Didn't allow him allot of recreation time." Come on!

Did you know the Nazis put innocents in air-pressure chambers and experimented on them? They pressure would cause the innocent people's ear drums to burst. Torture.



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16 May 2007, 6:42 pm

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well, foxnews is not exactly known for being unbiased!

oh.... and other news sources are? :roll: :lol:

Other news sources don't have "Fair and Balanced" as their doctrine


Actually, they do. One Detroit TV station once had as its news marketing slogan "Fast, Fresh & Fair".



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16 May 2007, 6:59 pm

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"Didn't allow him allot of recreation time." Come on!

Sounds a lot like the guy in Monty Python and the Holy Grail, crying, "Help, help! I'm being repressed!" :roll:


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16 May 2007, 7:53 pm

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not reported by fox news: they also took away photos of his daughter, gave him the wrong prescription strength glasses and didn't allow him recreation a lot of times.


1. He isn't covered by the Geneva Convention anyway so it doesn't legally matter (although the U.S. has decided to act as if it does)
2. Even assuming this is true, this is hardly something so terrible as to rise to the level of a national story. I understand that what torture is is subjective, but you are defining torture pretty low to get to this level. Even using the word "abuse" which seems entirely appropriate for abu-Graib seems somewhat much. Maybe some guards broke the rules, i don't know, but there isn't anything clearly obviously evil from this stuff. Also, it's a detention facility, not a luxury hotel. "Didn't allow him allot of recreation time." Come on!

Did you know the Nazis put innocents in air-pressure chambers and experimented on them? They pressure would cause the innocent people's ear drums to burst. Torture.



if we ever reach the point of what the nazis did...i believe that's called "too far". we don't want to reach "too far", hell, we don't wanna even approach "too far". what the nazis and japanese did in WWII was horrific.