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Hello, I am looking for a group of people that have an awareness and understanding of their conditions and are willing to try an exercise that could possibly unlock their social ques. I want to share an awaking that I've experienced and want people to have that joy. What if I was to say there is a possibility to help or at least alleviate the problems with aspergers such as lack of social ques and development with people to the point that you might be able to experience what it's like to be neurotypical in social situations. Like many of you, I suffered aspergers but I've somehow figured a way out and be able to become apart of society- but I need more people to who are willing to help me replicate result and give me a feedback. If this works, this could potentially solve a lot of issues such as socially awkwardness and maybe answer why to the phenomenon of why people lack the social ques associated with some disorders.

We know people that have aspergers have higher activity within their DNM (Default network mode) part of the brain. The DNM is responsible linked to a rested state hence, the possible lack of awareness, over thinking, logic while the frontal part of the brain which is responsible for social cues has minimum activity. While the brain activity is tapping into their DNM, when they apply it to the outside world such as a social situations and ques, it overthinks and begins to wonder how people do it, while social-cues are automatic and should feel natural instead of trying to play the part.

You see on my personal recount, for 27+ years I was always aloof and suffered social isolation. I could only play games and have restricted interests and routines. Walking into a room people would pick up right away that I was either stiff or cold. It felt like a social blockage and could only talk to a few people that made me comfortable- aka mute selection. I was Always alone and wondering how people develop relationships so easily. I suffered irritations from too much lights and noises which I believe is linked to disturbing the undeveloped DMN. I was always thinking, trapped in my head, daydreaming of things that would never come true. I wanted to be apart of society and have lots friends but it seemed bizarre to me. How can I do it? When my family greeted family and strangers they reciprocated communication and expression of feelings so easy and natural and got on well from there, but when it came to my turn it was more of a acquaintance or a pity hello. That's when I decided there must be a way out. So for a year I practiced social ques but it was draining. I did ok but it was hard to sustain conversations and relationships as it felt like I was acting more and harder rather then being apart of the conversation. That's when I suffered anxiety and depression. I wanted to be normal so that I could adapt. Infact I've never felt what a connection until I've developed something that helped me unlock the social cues.

But one day I did something remarkable. I believe I've managed to train up the frontal lobe of my brain which allowed me to develop properly. To initialise things so easy. to socialise and develop with people. Here's the thing. The day I "awakened" felt like my head was lighter. It took awhile to get into that state. It felt like I was able to take on the world and people didn't scare me anymore. My memory improved dramatically as well as the social anxiety disappeared but what shocked me the most and my whole family was this. Normally when it comes to dinner I would be laying down in my bed daydreaming or alone but I decided I was feeling brave so I ventured onto the table and sat with the family. They looked at me surprised but then I did the strangest thing. I started talking. It felt so natural. Instead of trying to think what to say, I just said it. It was like my mind aligned with my communication. I didn't feel like an actor or was I left out. It got to the point where my family were giving me eye contact and responses and asking questions like if I found a drug that fixed aspergers and I replied like it was nothing. Because I was so aware of what it's like to not develop with people, I felt a gush of perhaps a good feeling of reward but also was it felt naturally different. I was aware this is what neurotypicals feel like while I've just discovered it.

So I'm looking for people who want to break free from this problem. That's able to comprehend simple instructions and want to experience what it feels like to be neurotypical. I need feedback, responses and maybe even discussions of why or why it wouldn't work. In saying that my goal is to help people. I know what it feels like to be trapped in the mind, alone and longing for what everyone has and now I'm experiencing it. Because my social ques are so natural, my expression of emotions become natural to the point that I feel and come across normal. Sometimes I'm chatting in a group and actually look like I'm apart of the group instead of a wall paper but actually wonder if this is what normal looks like.

So here's my thesis that I wish to conduct. It might take a few weeks because you're developing the front part of the brain. The brain is a muscle is it not? Like when you go to a gym and you can't lift certain weights because you have developed the correct muscles so therefore the brain works the same way. It might not be just the mind alone but also what you can do with the brain. So as someone that only ever thought I was always aware about my body. I can only explain that when I had aspergers I felt like I was using mainly the middle part of my head and brain but upon doing this exercise I feel like a new sensation in the front section of the brain.

So here's the instructions.

Focus hard at an inanimate object such as pen for 20 seconds on and off. As if straining your eyes for a little while then relaxing. It should look like intense gaze at the object. After that control the focus and strain of your eyes to either half or 1/3 of it's strength so you should feel minimum strain behind your eyes. Learn to maintain that focus while comprehending things and reading or observing. Of course when you lower the focus and strength to 1/3 of the strain of your eyes, be sure to cover up your intense gaze with your normal or default look. Try to practice and think or feel like a pressure in the front part of your head.

Within a few days, you should feel a slight pain sensation in the front part of your brain. It's the frontal cortex strengthening perhaps increasing blood flow and neurons there which is responsible for the social cues, development and emotional responses. It's noted the humans should be inbuilt with natural social cues. What you're also doing is building awareness as well and with enough awareness your brain should fill the blanks in for the social cues and development. It should be no different to when you're building muscles.

People might wonder "all you're doing is straining your eyes" but what if neurotypicals have been doing it all along and they don't know it. What feels so natural to them compared to those that don't. The little strain in my focus is now gone. It feels like i'm aware and awakened too.

Now the final phase is this. Test it out on a person or a close friend. Hopefully you should also be feeling brave at this point. Create eye contact with them and engage in a conversation. Just make it simple, don't over think or think. It should come natural. Obviously I will be discussing this in 2 other forums for as much feedback. I only want to help and if you think you'd found a cure or a change, then you'd want people to know. If the brain can shrink due to mental illnesses I believe we can tap into it and make it grow. If anyone has depression, anxiety or even ADHD I encourage you to try and send me a survey or feedback.

I'm trying what you suggest. I'll try to let you know how things progress after a few days.

Do you have a theory on how to use DNM to help non autistic people read "weird" social ques autistics do?

If this pans out it will make it easier to educate people about it but it won't allow neurotypicals to understand autistic/aspergers people completely. You see DNM relates to individual difference while the frontal social lobe allows you to express and communicate what you want to those who share that same antenna. That's the best way I can describe it. You see even if you put autistic/aspergers people together in one room they would have trouble communicating.

Another thing I noticed is that having a weak frontal lobe is almost like a natural lobotomy. When lobotomy occurs it's known the person loses awareness let alone his personality and expression of emotions. By strengthening the frontal lobe, from which I've experienced, I was able to communicate with expression and emotions naturally.

Also thank you Fifasy!

The brain isn't a muscle.

Wrong Planet is a neurodiverse support website and its general principles are not very compatible with new members arriving specifically to further their own curebie values and personal projects.

As for asking members here to click on a link to a stranger's gmail address, why would they risk malware and virus contamination?

The accepted protocol for bona fide research programs that are accredited by university personnel is to forward the research proposal to the site owner and ask for permission to proceed.

However given that your research plan is a poor fit for the values here, it seems unlikely that you would be given permission.
The email link has been deleted.

The brain isn't a complete muscle but it works like a muscle. Know what you're talking about first. It's been shown to shrink when not in use or when in depression. Studies and proven fact that it increases in size when you go to the gym. It's been proven that at a young age correct foods and activities will increase the density in your brain. It might not be muscle fibres if you're looking for that, but it works like a muscle and is an important organ in the body. like other organs like the lungs and heart, it can be strengthened and improved.

I don't have anything to gain by planting viruses in emails or I wouldn't be here trying to convince the world that there's help for those that suffer isolation. Your neurodiversity will NOT change, what I'm trying to say is to remove the social blockage which will allow you to express it, let alone your emotions for those who seek it. What do aspergers have in common? Lack of connection and development with peers due to poor or blockage of communication. They think of communication instead of naturally expressing it due to the weak frontal lobe. Strengthen the frontal lobe then communication will be natural, not thought or acted.

If there is any change, please send me an email so that me and my team can then gather data. We aren't saying that this is true, we are compiling data. If this is false then I'll step aside. If it's correct then there is hope for those to express there genius side or fit in with other people for those who seek it.

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Don't you mean your values? Alex has shown interest in solving autism:

So oversimplifying this, this is yet another proposed solution where autistic people have to do most of the work to be more neurotypical like because of an assumption the neurotypical way is the right way, and the autistic way is the wrong way?

Thank you. What i'm trying to do is help alleviate the pain in those who are suffering. Why they are different. For me my reality changed. The best way I can describe it is that reality feels like a dream because I was fitting in. Everything was in sync and conversations was natural. Something that I was acting or imagining how to converse became natural.

I'm 28 and for 27 years I've been wandering alone trapped in my head, only ever thinking and not expressing. On valentines day for the past 10 years I use to be so numb yet want to cry but failed to express it. I longed to be with a woman but they seemed foreign. Since I somehow "woke up" women weren't foreign. They just seemed like friends or any other person where I could strike a normal conversation too. This feeling, this AWARENESS is what I'm trying to share. The hypothesis is that Aspergers consciously or subconsciously lack awareness. So it makes sense why they don't pick up social cues from people in order for their body and face to reciprocate back. I will ask you aspies this. Have you ever felt a connection with a woman? Have you ever looked into her eyes and her face that when she showed a warm emotion that you reciprocated an emotion on your face back right away to her automatically? Staring doesn't count by the way. Have you ever felt a strong flutter in your heart when she looked your way? A strong instinct and urge to protect her when you catch her eyes dilate at you? Each time you see her did you bond closer? If you do then congratulations because that's what neurotypicals feel everytime and if you do, then you have to be very high up on the spectrum. That there in a biological view is the serotonin in conjunction with the dopamine creating a powerful connection. It's rewarding the part of the brain for socialising. That same reaction applies to connections such as friends and family as well. Perhaps you were also talking at her, not with her or to her. It took me my whole life to figure it out and why I was never able to develop with people.

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I never said it's wrong. It's for people who don't understand why they seem so foreign. It's for people who want to break out of social isolation. If you're happy where you are then I'm just as happy but I'm here to help those who are wanting to remove this social blockage.

Yes my heart has fluttered when a women who I have a crush on looked back at me. In my limited experience in all aspie settings I have been to aspies got along better with each other then with NT's. But that is a general thing. There are aspies that hate each other and I and many aspies have certainly have been very close to NT's.

I am turning 60 this year and I can tell you NT life is not a utopian polyanna. In the courtship stage most people feel what you described, but often it does not last because 40 to 50 percent of marriages end in divorce, and there have been brutal wars throughout history. Since NT's are 98 percent of the population most of the pain is caused by NT's not understanding each other.

I am not saying that aspies should not grow, change or compromise. Those marriages that last 60 or 70 years where the couples are still madly in love are often usually based on both sides compromising. Even the B and D ones are based on respecting the other persons boundries. A relationship where one side has to give most or all is called an abusive relationship. And very often the one abusing truly believes they are bieng helpful by correcting the wrongs of the other person.

I do not agree but understand and respect the point of view that since aspies are such a small percentage of the population "resistence is futile" and reality dictates we are the ones that have to do all the changing to get anywhere. I know the cost for bieng an outlier be it an aspie or anything else can be very high, I have paid that price. If you choose to do all the changing I think it is better to do it with the full understanding of what you are doing and why.

The heart is a muscle and the lungs are driven by muscles. The other organs can't be "improved" through use as they are not driven by muscles. Just because muscles can be improved with use doesn't mean the brain can simply because you draw a weak analogy between them.

That aside you're onto a loser with this thread anyway, some mods on this site are well known to use their mod powers to quash any idea they don't personally believe in and to quash argument against any ideas they personally do.

It's called neuroplasticity.

In fact, there are case histories of people, able to function, with much of their brain missing.

So, something would have grown.

I know someone, who lost the use of an arm, from a polio-like virus, but later became coordinated, again.

Someone loses coordination from stroke, but might eventually recover, sometimes.

What he is saying is generally true.



Firstly, I felt that your method pertains to attentiveness vs. dissociation.

Autistic people have no particular difficulty, in focusing their attention, onto discrete stimuli or niche interests, and nothing else. So pronounced is this ability, that they may have apneas, for their lack of focus on breathing, hygiene problems, and so on. The idiot savantes play symphonies, by ear, and draw photorealistic maps, from sight, but need caretakers to manage the other 99.999...% of their existence. You're asking someone to focus, who already sees the hairs on a gnat's ass and really knows the number of dots on the ceiling.

From my perspective, it's automatic. I feel as though I can only do this, when the conscious part of my brain is turned-off.



Going forward, the functions of the frontal lobe normally pertain to the system of accomplishment and rewards.

I respectfully disagree, as to whether these exercises make someone neurotypical, as most people lack objectivity.



I think the moral-of-the-story, here, was executive function, because you are ostensibly getting someone to complete a small task, then graduate, onto more-complicated ones.

You would hopefully arrive at a state, called self-realization, at which point, an NT person should usually work harder on study skills, and the AS person should work harder on social skills. It's all a matter of where you choose to focus.

I feel that intense focus ultimately leads to mental exhaustion, and AS people may find it helpful, to dissociate, be oblivious, or ignore more things, at times. At least, I think that's what people do, when they're resting. I guess, part of discipline is making time to do just that.

Would thought-stopping be more helpful than hyper-attentiveness. It's something I have pondered. Or, would I still be passively coming up with complete pages of the dictionary and machine diagrams. Self control is not the problem, it's that normal stuff never seems to happen, automatically. Like ignorance, inattentiveness or a break from reality. Most people seem to be driving or interacting on autopilot. I can probably make myself do anything, but nothing comes by instinct or second nature.

First-of-all, it's amazing to me, that you think "curing" the social problems we have, can TOTALLY cure one of Aspergers----I mean, there are several of us, here, who are pretty decent at socializing in person, but we certainly still have alot of Executive Function problems, to say the least.

Secondly, it's amazing to me that you think Aspergers can be cured, at all. Just because someone learns / practices "tricks-of-the-trade", so-to-speak, doesn't mean they have been cured----even if they can "produce" them, "naturally".

Does your possible "treatment" apply to people who are diagnosed on the Autistic Spectrum with something other than Asperger's.

I guess your "focus" method could work for some. Especially if somebody has "faith" in the treatment. Frequently, "faith"--confidence that something will work, will make it work.

Nothing wrong with doing research on this. Especially if conducted according to established scientific methodology, is peer-reviewed, double-blind, etc.

Not to undermine your best intentions,but have you considered,that you've just been spiritually awaken,not from these pen exercises?

Because sorry,imo,these focal exercises are not the be all,end all.
There are many other factors to take into consideration and apply.

IE:

1:Educate oneself and understand how the mind works.

2:Control your mind,not let it control you.

3:Understand the difference between positive and negative thinking and how they affect you.

4:Dismiss irrational thoughts and replace with logical thoughts and reasoning.

5:Mind over matter and strengthening ones willpower.

6:Good nutrition,exercise and healthy lifestyle.

Etc,so your focal exercises play a part,a minor role on the scheme of things,imo.
But so do meditation,qigong,tai chi,karate etc etc.

There's more to a puzzle.

Just saying...imho.