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14 Jul 2017, 3:04 pm

....recalling auditory information. Is this symptomatic of autism, ADHD, CAPD or something else?

Though at 27 years of age I am hardly an old man, I cannot seem to replay even fragments of a conversation I had with someone just a few minutes ago. It's rather embarrassing because if someone tells me something, I invariably forget what they've said within moments. The same applies to songs too, as no matter how many times I hear a song I will always sing it incorrectly.

Upon reflection, with my learning impairments it's a minor miracle that I managed to leave school with a few A Levels.

I am wondering if stimulant medications such as ritalin and adderall could help me in this regard. But they are only prescribed to those diagnosed with ADHD. :(


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14 Jul 2017, 3:32 pm

Autistics can be hypo sensitive to noise. Autistics often have trouble with multitasking and following a conversation is multitasking.If you are hyper focused in your special interest you may miss what is being said.

Certainly it can be ADHD related. One can be autistic and have ADHD.


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14 Jul 2017, 5:43 pm

JakeASD wrote:
....recalling auditory information. Is this symptomatic of autism, ADHD, CAPD or something else?

Though at 27 years of age I am hardly an old man, I cannot seem to replay even fragments of a conversation I had with someone just a few minutes ago. It's rather embarrassing because if someone tells me something, I invariably forget what they've said within moments. The same applies to songs too, as no matter how many times I hear a song I will always sing it incorrectly.

Upon reflection, with my learning impairments it's a minor miracle that I managed to leave school with a few A Levels.

I am wondering if stimulant medications such as ritalin and adderall could help me in this regard. But they are only prescribed to those diagnosed with ADHD. :(


I can't answer that , but I also have difficult remembering everything said in recent conversations ( even what I've said ) , it makes it almost impossible to have an argument when the crux of the argument is 'what was said' :lol: But strangely enough I appear to be able to recall conversations from years ago.

I also have a issue with song lyrics but it's not that I can't remember them , I think I just mishear them , I feel like I was ribbed a lot about what I thought lyrics of song were but it seems common practice as a lot of comedians have made jokes about mishearing lyrics .

I also wonder if a stimulant like ritalin and adderall would help me with most of my issues , although I'm a little worried that my wonder comes from the times when I abused amphetamines as a teen , it really helped me felt normal and able to socialize ( but it's a nasty drug ).


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14 Jul 2017, 7:05 pm

I don't know about in the UK, but in the States one can be prescribed Ritalin off-label for the sluggishness and indecisiveness/fogginess that come with depression. Sometimes it can just give a little lift.
JakeASD, I thought you posted you were on modafinil in another thread. In my experience it's similar to being on Ritalin, except that modafinil made me aggressive, which was a liability in my job. Right now I'm being tried on atomoxetine/Strattera, which is a non-stimulant ADHD med that is supposed to do the same thing... They're still adjusting the dosage :?



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14 Jul 2017, 8:54 pm

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I don't know about in the UK, but in the States one can be prescribed Ritalin off-label for the sluggishness and indecisiveness/fogginess that come with depression.


Ritalin is a class B drug in the UK ( same class as cannabis ) so no over the counter ( off label ) option.


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14 Jul 2017, 9:35 pm

SaveFerris wrote:
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I don't know about in the UK, but in the States one can be prescribed Ritalin off-label for the sluggishness and indecisiveness/fogginess that come with depression.


Ritalin is a class B drug in the UK ( same class as cannabis ) so no over the counter ( off label ) option.


Oh, I didn't mean over the counter--sorry! Off label here just means "prescribed for something other than what the drug was created to treat," in this case, an ADHD med given given for depression (to someone who doesn't have ADHD.)



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15 Jul 2017, 12:17 am

Every other day I take 200mg of modafinil but yesterday I had extreme brain fog/a blank mind during my shift as a volunteer at a bookstore. With this in mind, I may now reduce the dose to 100mg.

I seldom mishear sounds but it is always difficult for me to follow what someone is saying as I cannot block out trivial background noises. It's as if I am tuned into every radio station at the same time, and such a cacophony of sound inevitably destroys my self-esteem.

I am willing to try almost anything that could potentially reduce how many times I 'zone out' during the day. I know some people perceive it as a positive aspect of autism, but I personally would do anything to be more present for other people.


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15 Jul 2017, 1:12 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Autistics can be hypo sensitive to noise. Autistics often have trouble with multitasking and following a conversation is multitasking.If you are hyper focused in your special interest you may miss what is being said.

Certainly it can be ADHD related. One can be autistic and have ADHD.


This is my problem - my memory is fine, if anything it's exceptionally accurate - but my attention and focus are for squat, and I'm easily distracted, not just by external things, but by the thoughts racing around in my head. Just because someone told me something and I appeared to be listening, doesn't mean I'll remember it, because I may have been thinking about something else entirely the whole time they were speaking.

Same with things like song lyrics - if I'm actually listening to it, I'll remember it, but sometimes I'm subconsciously absorbing the pleasant melody without actually paying any attention to the words. I played "Who are You" by the Who for several weeks on the radio, before a coworker brought to my attention the multiple uses of the F word. I was just too busy focusing on the details of my job to listen to the lyrics. :?


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15 Jul 2017, 2:22 am

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Same with things like song lyrics - if I'm actually listening to it, I'll remember it, but sometimes I'm subconsciously absorbing the pleasant melody without actually paying any attention to the words. I played "Who are You" by the Who for several weeks on the radio, before a coworker brought to my attention the multiple uses of the F word. I was just too busy focusing on the details of my job to listen to the lyrics. :?


They did not give you the PG-13 version, interesting.
Off topic: I never totally understood why certain songs like "Walk On The Wild Side" and "Young Girl" were allowed while "Brand New Key" was banned in certain places.


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15 Jul 2017, 3:55 am

My auditory memory is good. Sometimes better than my (dominant) visual memory.

Yet my auditory processing is a bit screwed. :lol: And my memory can get screwed by it. So I'll end up remembering misheard words sometimes. Then add the possibility of misinterpretation of said memory. :lol:
Therefore, I couldn't rely on it.
Sometimes my own auditory thinking screws that memory by playing with it too much and momentarily forgotten about the original version of what I heard...


I don't have ADHD comorbid. :|
More like I'm bad with mental multitasking, with bad short term and working memory that interferes with everything.
And I haven't figure a sure way to solve it for myself. I don't have a real solution for it.


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15 Jul 2017, 5:54 am

For me it's visual info I was atrocious at recalling, but maybe that was because I needed glasses and didn't realize it... could it be you might have a mild hearing problem? A lot of the time people with hearing problems see better; I know I could hear way better than most people back then... but that might just be an autistic trait of mine, dunno.



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15 Jul 2017, 8:29 am

Redxk wrote:
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Redxk wrote:
I don't know about in the UK, but in the States one can be prescribed Ritalin off-label for the sluggishness and indecisiveness/fogginess that come with depression.


Ritalin is a class B drug in the UK ( same class as cannabis ) so no over the counter ( off label ) option.


Oh, I didn't mean over the counter--sorry! Off label here just means "prescribed for something other than what the drug was created to treat," in this case, an ADHD med given given for depression (to someone who doesn't have ADHD.)


My bad , that's what I've thought 'off label' meant.


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15 Jul 2017, 11:23 am

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Off topic: I never totally understood why certain songs like "Walk On The Wild Side" and "Young Girl" were allowed while "Brand New Key" was banned in certain places.


I think it has to do with the sensibilities of the people doing the banning. I came from a fairly rural southern area, and I recall hearing my fundamentalist Southern Baptist parents discussing "Brand New Key" when it came on the radio, as suggestive and dirty, though I listened to it then and today as only a whimsical allusion to childish romance - sure, you can read sexual symbolism into the lock-and-key metaphor, and even "I've been all around the world," if you really want leering thrills, but it's neither explicit nor even blatantly implied - any sexual imagery is entirely in the mind of the beholder.

OTOH, where I came from, 'Walk on the Wild Side' was so sophisticatedly decadent, most people just viewed the cross dressing reference as weird and exotic "New York City stuff" - I'd bet at that time (1972) many people in rural parts of the country were oblivious to the meaning of the phrase "giving head." In other words, it flew under their social radar. Besides, that part where "the colored girls say do-do-do-do-do" was so catchy. :lol:

'Young Girl
' would not have (and didn't) raised an eyebrow anywhere in those days, because age-different relationships were not the knee-jerk taboo thing they are today. The phrase "Dirty Old Man" was a common term of endearment - a tease - leveled at men who leered after teenagers. I've recently watched reruns of the Johnny Carson Tonight Show, where Johnny makes all sorts of jokes in his monologues about how hot middle-aged married men think high school cheerleaders and babysitters are, and instead of gasping in shock as they would today, the audience roars with laughter. In fact, songs like 'Young Girl' were pretty common in the 50s, 60s and 70s. Donny Osmond did a cutesy teen cover of 'Go Away, Little Girl (before I beg you to stay),' but it wasn't written for him, originally it was a standard for nightclub crooners.


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17 Jul 2017, 3:42 am

I relate to this very well. My son and I have the same diagnosis of ASD and ADD. Neither of us can filter background thoughts and noise during a convo for one. Words lose their meaning and become just a succession of syllables that do not compute. Second is that even when we do compute it, it's completely forgotten either after or *during* lol which is embarrassing but hilarious. The ADD meds did not work well because of the comorbidity. It jazzed us up to be even more sensory. It might not be this way with everyone with ASD and ADD of course.
I was misdiagnosed for 20 years so I truly understand the effects of the wrong medication. If it weren't for my boy's diagnosis then it would never have been explored. Just be careful and listen to yourself and how you are in your own skin.