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24 Sep 2017, 9:00 am



Investigate Russia

Rob Reiner's new starring role

PS: Your girl lost :wink:



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24 Sep 2017, 9:05 am

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PS: Your girl lost :wink:


Exactly, it has nothing to do with her, it has everything to do with a foreign agent illegally interfering in our internal affairs.



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24 Sep 2017, 9:47 am

Well, here's the problem, Putin was hard for Trump this time around, he could easily be for a democrat next time around. His game isn't about our internal politics, it's about destabilizing our democracy, he doesn't care if it's a D or an R next to the name, just that said politician is destabilizing to the western alliances (military and economic). Manafort and Flynn are going down, they both purposely falsified multiple documents that requested if they were being paid by foreign entities. The ONLY reason they haven't been indicted at this point is because investigators are trying to get them to turn on higher ups, and not necessarily anyone political in this country, but contacts and institutions in foreign countries.

Nothing will happen with Trump, he wasn't involved, merely an unwitting beneficiary. The media is doing the country a disservice by focusing on Trump's possible involvement, and Trump is doing the country a disservice by not taking it seriously.

Here's a bit of history on how the Greek democracies fell, and it wasn't war:

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He lost no opportunity in the next years (346–343) of penetrating Greece without war, by winning and buying friends among the politicians of the smaller cities and intervening occasionally with subsidies or a force of mercenaries in their local disturbances. This policy made him some enemies, too, and it played into the hands of the great orator Demosthenes and others at Athens. Demosthenes saw Philip now as a bar to Athenian greatness and a threat to its freedom and existence; he talked tirelessly to warn the Athenians of the danger and to convince the Greeks in general that it was their danger too.

Phillip II, Encyclopedia Britannica

Of course the Athenian assembly did not listen, many were already 'purchased' by Phillip and many just didn't see it as a problem. The assembly was so hamstrung by it's divisions that when Phillip finally did march south with his army the Athenians couldn't prepare for a war, they lasted merely one battle, a battle that fielded some of the lowest troop numbers the Athenian army had ever sent to the field. That's how the first great democracy fell, and if we don't pay attention to history that's how we'll fall as well: outside influence.



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24 Sep 2017, 9:54 am

Aristophanes wrote:
Well, here's the problem, Putin was hard for Trump this time around, he could easily be for a democrat next time around. His game isn't about our internal politics, it's about destabilizing our democracy, he doesn't care if it's a D or an R next to the name, just that said politician is destabilizing to the western alliances (military and economic).


What's his motive? What does he hope to gain?



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24 Sep 2017, 9:56 am

Catalog this with "9/11 was an inside job".



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Catalog this with "9/11 was an inside job".

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24 Sep 2017, 10:19 am

EzraS wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
Well, here's the problem, Putin was hard for Trump this time around, he could easily be for a democrat next time around. His game isn't about our internal politics, it's about destabilizing our democracy, he doesn't care if it's a D or an R next to the name, just that said politician is destabilizing to the western alliances (military and economic).


What's his motive? What does he hope to gain?

Well it should be obvious, but since it's not: weakened western neighbors are easier to take over than strong ones. You know, kind of like their expansion into the Black Sea area in the 1600's, kind of like their 1700's expansion into Scandinavia, kind of like their expansion into the eastern Mediterranean during the 1800's, kind of like their expansion into eastern Europe after WWII. It's not like there isn't a historic precedent for Russia attempting to expand their sphere of influence. Outside of the Volga region, there's not much of value in Russia, when a country's neighbors have more valuable land they tend to want it.



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24 Sep 2017, 10:31 am

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Aristophanes wrote:
Well, here's the problem, Putin was hard for Trump this time around, he could easily be for a democrat next time around. His game isn't about our internal politics, it's about destabilizing our democracy, he doesn't care if it's a D or an R next to the name, just that said politician is destabilizing to the western alliances (military and economic).


What's his motive? What does he hope to gain?


The more destabilised other powerful nations are and the less they are working cohesively the easier it would be for Russia to grab a piece of somewhere else, like Belarus or Latvia for example.



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24 Sep 2017, 10:44 am

Aristophanes wrote:
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Aristophanes wrote:
Well, here's the problem, Putin was hard for Trump this time around, he could easily be for a democrat next time around. His game isn't about our internal politics, it's about destabilizing our democracy, he doesn't care if it's a D or an R next to the name, just that said politician is destabilizing to the western alliances (military and economic).


What's his motive? What does he hope to gain?

Well it should be obvious, but since it's not: weakened western neighbors are easier to take over than strong ones. You know, kind of like their expansion into the Black Sea area in the 1600's, kind of like their 1700's expansion into Scandinavia, kind of like their expansion into the eastern Mediterranean during the 1800's, kind of like their expansion into eastern Europe after WWII. It's not like there isn't a historic precedent for Russia attempting to expand their sphere of influence. Outside of the Volga region, there's not much of value in Russia, when a country's neighbors have more valuable land they tend to want it.


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The more destabilised other powerful nations are and the less they are working cohesively the easier it would be for Russia to grab a piece of somewhere else, like Belarus or Latvia for example.


Putin has been in power for 20 years and is a senior citizen now. How much longer is it going to take for him to put this into action?



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24 Sep 2017, 10:47 am

Morgan Freeman was a nice guy when I worked with him. At that time, he didn't pursue such political meanderings. Maybe it was because he was protecting his then-budding career, or maybe his relatively newfound opinions no longer cost him much. He seems to straddle the political divide nicely, though. I agree with some of his opinions, but certainly not all.


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24 Sep 2017, 10:53 am

EzraS wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
Well, here's the problem, Putin was hard for Trump this time around, he could easily be for a democrat next time around. His game isn't about our internal politics, it's about destabilizing our democracy, he doesn't care if it's a D or an R next to the name, just that said politician is destabilizing to the western alliances (military and economic).


What's his motive? What does he hope to gain?

Well it should be obvious, but since it's not: weakened western neighbors are easier to take over than strong ones. You know, kind of like their expansion into the Black Sea area in the 1600's, kind of like their 1700's expansion into Scandinavia, kind of like their expansion into the eastern Mediterranean during the 1800's, kind of like their expansion into eastern Europe after WWII. It's not like there isn't a historic precedent for Russia attempting to expand their sphere of influence. Outside of the Volga region, there's not much of value in Russia, when a country's neighbors have more valuable land they tend to want it.


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The more destabilised other powerful nations are and the less they are working cohesively the easier it would be for Russia to grab a piece of somewhere else, like Belarus or Latvia for example.


Putin has been in power for 20 years and is a senior citizen now. How much longer is it going to take for him to put this into action?

And he's already moved into Georgia in '07/'08 and Ukraine in '14. You're just in denial it's happening.



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24 Sep 2017, 9:57 pm

Aristophanes wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
Well, here's the problem, Putin was hard for Trump this time around, he could easily be for a democrat next time around. His game isn't about our internal politics, it's about destabilizing our democracy, he doesn't care if it's a D or an R next to the name, just that said politician is destabilizing to the western alliances (military and economic).


What's his motive? What does he hope to gain?

Well it should be obvious, but since it's not: weakened western neighbors are easier to take over than strong ones. You know, kind of like their expansion into the Black Sea area in the 1600's, kind of like their 1700's expansion into Scandinavia, kind of like their expansion into the eastern Mediterranean during the 1800's, kind of like their expansion into eastern Europe after WWII. It's not like there isn't a historic precedent for Russia attempting to expand their sphere of influence. Outside of the Volga region, there's not much of value in Russia, when a country's neighbors have more valuable land they tend to want it.


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The more destabilised other powerful nations are and the less they are working cohesively the easier it would be for Russia to grab a piece of somewhere else, like Belarus or Latvia for example.


Putin has been in power for 20 years and is a senior citizen now. How much longer is it going to take for him to put this into action?

And he's already moved into Georgia in '07/'08 and Ukraine in '14.


I'm well aware of that and exactly what happened and why it took place.

Aristophanes wrote:
You're just in denial it's happening.


What's happening?



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24 Sep 2017, 10:01 pm

On a side note, I wouldn't have expected Morgan Freeman to be announcing the plan to re-start the Cold War. Especially over unfounded BS.



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24 Sep 2017, 10:07 pm

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And he's already moved into Georgia in '07/'08 and Ukraine in '14.


I'm well aware of that and exactly what happened and why it took place.


Ok, so if you're aware of the current Russian expansion, then why did you contradict yourself with this statement:

EzraS wrote:
Putin has been in power for 20 years and is a senior citizen now. How much longer is it going to take for him to put this into action?



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25 Sep 2017, 12:39 am

Aristophanes wrote:
EzraS wrote:
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And he's already moved into Georgia in '07/'08 and Ukraine in '14.


I'm well aware of that and exactly what happened and why it took place.


Ok, so if you're aware of the current Russian expansion, then why did you contradict yourself with this statement:

EzraS wrote:
Putin has been in power for 20 years and is a senior citizen now. How much longer is it going to take for him to put this into action?


Twofold error on my part. Firstly I was focusing on what Putin was supposed to be planning on doing the United States. Secondly, I misread what Biscuitman said as Putin taking over Latvia or Belarus, rather than grabbing a piece.



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25 Sep 2017, 9:10 am

EzraS wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
And he's already moved into Georgia in '07/'08 and Ukraine in '14.


I'm well aware of that and exactly what happened and why it took place.


Ok, so if you're aware of the current Russian expansion, then why did you contradict yourself with this statement:

EzraS wrote:
Putin has been in power for 20 years and is a senior citizen now. How much longer is it going to take for him to put this into action?


Twofold error on my part. Firstly I was focusing on what Putin was supposed to be planning on doing the United States. Secondly, I misread what Biscuitman said as Putin taking over Latvia or Belarus, rather than grabbing a piece.

Ok, so you got two different arguments from different people mixed into one, I can accept that, it happens to me too sometimes. :wink: