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04 Dec 2017, 12:34 pm

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So how is the US becoming like the Soviet Union?

Are we opening Gulags in the far north to send people for political reasons?

Have we centralized planning to determine what goods and how many of those goods we will produce?

Are we building walls to keep people from escaping?

Is the government nationalizing all the businesses?

How are we becoming like the Soviet Union?


Did you not read my opening post?

Yeah, the US is doing all of that in Palestine since you mention it, apart from nationalizing the businesses, though Trump is trying to change that it seems.


I did read your opening post. Nowhere in it do you explain how requiring the a press organization owned by a foreign government that has along history of having goals completely antithetical to the United States to register as a foreign agent is making us like the Soviet Union. All you did was make an allegation with no argument for that allegation.

So tell us how that means that we are becoming like the Soviet Union?

How much do you even remember about the Soviet Union?


Because it's a political move directed at a station that is offering views and facts that the US doesn't want people to hear. So the US is trying to discredit them and shut down the debate. Some of the things they accused the US of was saying that the US has a bad foreign policy, the US is in debt and Wall Street is greedy. All true :lol:
When I said the US, I meant the establishment.


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04 Dec 2017, 12:35 pm

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How are we becoming like the Soviet Union?


Did you not read my opening post?

Yeah, the US is doing all of that in Palestine since you mention it, apart from nationalizing the businesses, though Trump is trying to change that it seems.


I did read your opening post. Nowhere in it do you explain how requiring the a press organization owned by a foreign government that has along history of having goals completely antithetical to the United States to register as a foreign agent is making us like the Soviet Union. All you did was make an allegation with no argument for that allegation.

So tell us how that means that we are becoming like the Soviet Union?

How much do you even remember about the Soviet Union?


There is a distinct possibility he is approaching this perspective from a national contribution method, that we can buy out Trump, because the act of 'socialism' has driven their moral values over the edge.
I don't know what place he is in right now, but unlike him, everybody is dying to know where the money should be coming from, and he is saying, it should be out of benefits as a bigger tax initiative to save on more money and grant it to the E.U, upon bailout. Shows how much he cares about civilians, and is using it as a ransom propaganda tool to
tally to Americas thinking.
John Powell, you don't live in America, or Palestine, you live in England. Why pretend you're from these other countries if you're just going to spout off lies and evil about the righteousness of the right wing campaigns?
The U.K aren't for war, civil rights is open game because no one has given it a second thought before.
This isn't a third world crisis for them, it's just delivering more opening credits for the right wing establishments.
I agree, that nothing about the title, is going to be true, because Trump has also sided with us, he isn't just an idiot, he's a seedy, manipulative, challenging, past selling businessman who can't say to himself, ''Stop! '',even when his think tank has reached melting point. His views are over the driving limit for accident prone pensioners and we can't even cut off the fuel reserves on him, as they are one of the Worlds largest Oil distributers, besides those in the Arab Emirates.


What are you going on about?


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04 Dec 2017, 1:01 pm

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As compared to the complete sanity that just abounded during the eight very long years of Obama?


I had no problem with the Obama years, save for the loony right accusing him of being a gay, Muslim, member of a radical black church, born in Kenya, which were empowered by obstructionist congressional Republicans who were motivated solely by keeping him a one term President.


Those crazy claims about Obama just hurt those making them really. You might of had no problem with him, but all the people murdered by him and their families did. It's just that the pathetic mainstream media didn't report his crimes.


The terrorists, such as ISIS, who instigated the American reactions bear no responsibility?


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04 Dec 2017, 1:21 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
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So how is the US becoming like the Soviet Union?

Are we opening Gulags in the far north to send people for political reasons?

Have we centralized planning to determine what goods and how many of those goods we will produce?

Are we building walls to keep people from escaping?

Is the government nationalizing all the businesses?

How are we becoming like the Soviet Union?


Did you not read my opening post?

Yeah, the US is doing all of that in Palestine since you mention it, apart from nationalizing the businesses, though Trump is trying to change that it seems.


I did read your opening post. Nowhere in it do you explain how requiring the a press organization owned by a foreign government that has along history of having goals completely antithetical to the United States to register as a foreign agent is making us like the Soviet Union. All you did was make an allegation with no argument for that allegation.

So tell us how that means that we are becoming like the Soviet Union?

How much do you even remember about the Soviet Union?


Because it's a political move directed at a station that is offering views and facts that the US doesn't want people to hear. So the US is trying to discredit them and shut down the debate. Some of the things they accused the US of was saying that the US has a bad foreign policy, the US is in debt and Wall Street is greedy. All true :lol:
When I said the US, I meant the establishment.


You must have extremely limited knowledge of the Soviet Union.

If the US were becoming like the Soviet Union, we wouldn't be making a Russian government news organization register. We would be following their reporters and other employees, restricting their movement, and arresting and throwing them into prisons with show trials or kicking them out of the country. We have done none of this.



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05 Dec 2017, 1:17 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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As compared to the complete sanity that just abounded during the eight very long years of Obama?


I had no problem with the Obama years, save for the loony right accusing him of being a gay, Muslim, member of a radical black church, born in Kenya, which were empowered by obstructionist congressional Republicans who were motivated solely by keeping him a one term President.


Those crazy claims about Obama just hurt those making them really. You might of had no problem with him, but all the people murdered by him and their families did. It's just that the pathetic mainstream media didn't report his crimes.


The terrorists, such as ISIS, who instigated the American reactions bear no responsibility?


ISIS didn't instigate the actions, Obama did. Innocent children in Yemen did not instigate drone attacks.


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05 Dec 2017, 1:19 pm

kokopelli wrote:
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kokopelli wrote:
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So how is the US becoming like the Soviet Union?

Are we opening Gulags in the far north to send people for political reasons?

Have we centralized planning to determine what goods and how many of those goods we will produce?

Are we building walls to keep people from escaping?

Is the government nationalizing all the businesses?

How are we becoming like the Soviet Union?


Did you not read my opening post?

Yeah, the US is doing all of that in Palestine since you mention it, apart from nationalizing the businesses, though Trump is trying to change that it seems.


I did read your opening post. Nowhere in it do you explain how requiring the a press organization owned by a foreign government that has along history of having goals completely antithetical to the United States to register as a foreign agent is making us like the Soviet Union. All you did was make an allegation with no argument for that allegation.

So tell us how that means that we are becoming like the Soviet Union?

How much do you even remember about the Soviet Union?


Because it's a political move directed at a station that is offering views and facts that the US doesn't want people to hear. So the US is trying to discredit them and shut down the debate. Some of the things they accused the US of was saying that the US has a bad foreign policy, the US is in debt and Wall Street is greedy. All true :lol:
When I said the US, I meant the establishment.


You must have extremely limited knowledge of the Soviet Union.

If the US were becoming like the Soviet Union, we wouldn't be making a Russian government news organization register. We would be following their reporters and other employees, restricting their movement, and arresting and throwing them into prisons with show trials or kicking them out of the country. We have done none of this.


No, that would mean you were exactly like the Soviet Union in that way. I said the establishment is becoming like it. I didn't say the US is like it and in every way but these actions definitely smell of totalitarianism.


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05 Dec 2017, 1:45 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
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As compared to the complete sanity that just abounded during the eight very long years of Obama?


I had no problem with the Obama years, save for the loony right accusing him of being a gay, Muslim, member of a radical black church, born in Kenya, which were empowered by obstructionist congressional Republicans who were motivated solely by keeping him a one term President.


Those crazy claims about Obama just hurt those making them really. You might of had no problem with him, but all the people murdered by him and their families did. It's just that the pathetic mainstream media didn't report his crimes.


The terrorists, such as ISIS, who instigated the American reactions bear no responsibility?


ISIS didn't instigate the actions, Obama did. Innocent children in Yemen did not instigate drone attacks.


You're taking the side of fanatical terrorists who torture and murder people over an elected President like Obama?
And as I recall, the current President who allowed the Saudis to attack Yemen is your guy, Trump, not Obama.


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Innocent children in Yemen are terrorists? But oh the irony. Your hero Obama supported organ eating terrorists over the democratically elected Assad.
The war started in early 2015! Obama was drone bombing innocents before that anyway. Obama and Trump have sold weapons to the Saudis while they bomb schools and hospitals. It's sick that you defend that.


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06 Dec 2017, 6:14 pm

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Innocent children in Yemen are terrorists? But oh the irony. Your hero Obama supported organ eating terrorists over the democratically elected Assad.
The war started in early 2015! Obama was drone bombing innocents before that anyway. Obama and Trump have sold weapons to the Saudis while they bomb schools and hospitals. It's sick that you defend that.


When did I defend bombing children?
Organ eaters? :eew:
Is this a sudden change in attitude about Trump that I'm reading here?


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That isn't the reason at all. It's because there's a lot of truths on RT and the US has this deranged paranoia about Russia.


Only a certain demographic of the US has a deranged paranoia about Russia.


It's not deranged if it's true.


It's not true, therefore it is deranged.

So R.T. is controlled by the Russian government. So what? So is the B.B.C., but we don't hear about them being subjected to nonsense like this. Other news sources are also government controlled, like our very own A.B.C. in Australia. It's actually quite good, if only because there are no ad breaks whatsoever! :) The quality is also well above that of the commercial channels.

I like R.T., I go there all the time (through YouTube). I wouldn't know what was going on in the world if I didn't. This is simply a case of the U.S. Government not wanting its citizens to know the truth. That's all there is to it. They would rather they watch asinine propaganda like C.N.N. or M.S.N.B.C.



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JohnPowell wrote:
Innocent children in Yemen are terrorists? But oh the irony. Your hero Obama supported organ eating terrorists over the democratically elected Assad.
The war started in early 2015! Obama was drone bombing innocents before that anyway. Obama and Trump have sold weapons to the Saudis while they bomb schools and hospitals. It's sick that you defend that.


We went from discussing R.T. to organ eating?! Obama (also known as President Obama) is no longer in office, thank God. Yes, he was a lousy President, if only because under his administration he significantly increased the U.S.'s reliance upon drone strikes to take out its "enemies" (usually guests at weddings and funerals, schools and hospitals). Far more innocent civilians than "terrorists" were killed. It was an unmitigated disaster for the image of the U.S. around the world.

However, Mr. Trump is not much better! He is at least just as bad, if not worse. Sure, I'm eternally grateful Ms. Clinton wasn't selected, but that's not saying much. There has been a steady decline in the quality of U.S. Presidents since Jimmy Carter, who was the last president to actually have a conscience and a brain. It must, however, also be said that other nations have lousy leaders as well at the moment (ex. Merkel, Putin, Netanyahu, Turnbull, Trudeau...).



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09 Dec 2017, 8:30 pm

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That isn't the reason at all. It's because there's a lot of truths on RT and the US has this deranged paranoia about Russia.


Only a certain demographic of the US has a deranged paranoia about Russia.


It's not deranged if it's true.


It's not true, therefore it is deranged.

So R.T. is controlled by the Russian government. So what? So is the B.B.C., but we don't hear about them being subjected to nonsense like this. Other news sources are also government controlled, like our very own A.B.C. in Australia. It's actually quite good, if only because there are no ad breaks whatsoever! :) The quality is also well above that of the commercial channels.

I like R.T., I go there all the time (through YouTube). I wouldn't know what was going on in the world if I didn't. This is simply a case of the U.S. Government not wanting its citizens to know the truth. That's all there is to it. They would rather they watch asinine propaganda like C.N.N. or M.S.N.B.C.


Britain and Australia aren't fascistic kleptocracies states like Russia. Der Sturmer was Nazi Germany's official newspaper, and I would definitely not put it on the same standing as the BBC.
Most of what appears on YouTube has as much validity as graffiti scrawled on the inside of a men's room stall.
Oh, I have no doubt that there are things that the US government doesn't want the rest of us to know, even though we should, but the propaganda spewed by the Putin network and their Amen corner hardly remedies any of that.
But at least we agree that Jimmy Carter was a noble soul, and a credit to the White House.


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10 Dec 2017, 9:18 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Innocent children in Yemen are terrorists? But oh the irony. Your hero Obama supported organ eating terrorists over the democratically elected Assad.
The war started in early 2015! Obama was drone bombing innocents before that anyway. Obama and Trump have sold weapons to the Saudis while they bomb schools and hospitals. It's sick that you defend that.


When did I defend bombing children?
Organ eaters? :eew:
Is this a sudden change in attitude about Trump that I'm reading here?


You were making out that Obama killing children was the fault of ISIS.
Yes.
No, I'm not one of his supporters. He was just better than Clinton.


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Kraichgauer wrote:
Lintar wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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That isn't the reason at all. It's because there's a lot of truths on RT and the US has this deranged paranoia about Russia.


Only a certain demographic of the US has a deranged paranoia about Russia.


It's not deranged if it's true.


It's not true, therefore it is deranged.

So R.T. is controlled by the Russian government. So what? So is the B.B.C., but we don't hear about them being subjected to nonsense like this. Other news sources are also government controlled, like our very own A.B.C. in Australia. It's actually quite good, if only because there are no ad breaks whatsoever! :) The quality is also well above that of the commercial channels.

I like R.T., I go there all the time (through YouTube). I wouldn't know what was going on in the world if I didn't. This is simply a case of the U.S. Government not wanting its citizens to know the truth. That's all there is to it. They would rather they watch asinine propaganda like C.N.N. or M.S.N.B.C.


Britain and Australia aren't fascistic kleptocracies states like Russia. Der Sturmer was Nazi Germany's official newspaper, and I would definitely not put it on the same standing as the BBC.
Most of what appears on YouTube has as much validity as graffiti scrawled on the inside of a men's room stall.
Oh, I have no doubt that there are things that the US government doesn't want the rest of us to know, even though we should, but the propaganda spewed by the Putin network and their Amen corner hardly remedies any of that.
But at least we agree that Jimmy Carter was a noble soul, and a credit to the White House.


You're comparing Russia to Nazi Germany now :roll:
The BBC is far worse. It is real state propaganda regarding war. That guy says he watches RT and says Putin is a terrible leader.
Just because something is on YouTube that doesn't discredit it.


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10 Dec 2017, 3:49 pm

Annnnnd also in that it appears they want to create a society of a few oligarch family dynasties to be Billionaires ruling over the poor masses. Just like Russia. I wonder where Trump got that idea from.. ? Maybe Putin pointed out how many Billionaires his country has and that if Trump would just alter American policies a little that his country could have more Billionaires, too.


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10 Dec 2017, 7:05 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Lintar wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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That isn't the reason at all. It's because there's a lot of truths on RT and the US has this deranged paranoia about Russia.


Only a certain demographic of the US has a deranged paranoia about Russia.


It's not deranged if it's true.


It's not true, therefore it is deranged.

So R.T. is controlled by the Russian government. So what? So is the B.B.C., but we don't hear about them being subjected to nonsense like this. Other news sources are also government controlled, like our very own A.B.C. in Australia. It's actually quite good, if only because there are no ad breaks whatsoever! :) The quality is also well above that of the commercial channels.

I like R.T., I go there all the time (through YouTube). I wouldn't know what was going on in the world if I didn't. This is simply a case of the U.S. Government not wanting its citizens to know the truth. That's all there is to it. They would rather they watch asinine propaganda like C.N.N. or M.S.N.B.C.


Britain and Australia aren't fascistic kleptocracies states like Russia. Der Sturmer was Nazi Germany's official newspaper, and I would definitely not put it on the same standing as the BBC.
Most of what appears on YouTube has as much validity as graffiti scrawled on the inside of a men's room stall.
Oh, I have no doubt that there are things that the US government doesn't want the rest of us to know, even though we should, but the propaganda spewed by the Putin network and their Amen corner hardly remedies any of that.
But at least we agree that Jimmy Carter was a noble soul, and a credit to the White House.


Just to be clear, I don't like Vlad Putin at all either, and I often get into exchanges in the comments sections of sites like R.T. with those who do, but even though R.T. has that much in common with the B.B.C. in that it is run by the government, it actually is quite good. This may come as a surprise to you, but they don't praise, or even mention, Vlad Putin as often as many might imagine.
When it comes to certain issues I am often pro-Russia, but I have never been pro-Putin. I simply cannot stand the crook. He is like Berlusconi was to Italy, or maybe even Mussolini (he also liked to take his shirt off for the cameras).