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02 Dec 2017, 11:06 pm

Mark Blyth shedding more light on US and European populism:


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03 Dec 2017, 9:32 pm

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I want banks to stop giving predatory loans to poor countries and stealing their resources. If you're supporting those people migrating, then you're supporting the plans of those evil people.


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What's wrong with showing people a heart?
Not all immigrants are desperate and fleeing, but too many are.
We actually agree on how banks prey on the third world. Bankers are bankers, no matter if they screw over people in your neighborhood, or if they do it internationally.


Yeah the problem with all of that is that no one thought about it when they were bleeding the country dry.
Our so called once grieving alliances have got bigger and better things to worry about now that they are stuck in a funnel of their own making. We're not going to be funding any more of America's big adventure schemes and cold blooded adventures into Iran and Libya.
I don't give a toff about socialist uprisings over there, as long as they keep us out of it. If you want to embrace charity be my guest, unless you've just had to give over half your life savings away then you won't be in a position to unfairly judge us, or any of our minimum wages and say migrants should be first, I don't think you'd want Mexican banks investing into stocks and shares of NYC and then growing a Mexican tower for ex Trump voters.

Point is, house the migrants, but don't give them permanent refuge or they'll seek kindness from you for the rest of their lives. Harsh but true.



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03 Dec 2017, 9:42 pm

Empathy wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
I want banks to stop giving predatory loans to poor countries and stealing their resources. If you're supporting those people migrating, then you're supporting the plans of those evil people.


Kraichgauer wrote:
What's wrong with showing people a heart?
Not all immigrants are desperate and fleeing, but too many are.
We actually agree on how banks prey on the third world. Bankers are bankers, no matter if they screw over people in your neighborhood, or if they do it internationally.


Yeah the problem with all of that is that no one thought about it when they were bleeding the country dry.
Our so called once grieving alliances have got bigger and better things to worry about now that they are stuck in a funnel of their own making. We're not going to be funding any more of America's big adventure schemes and cold blooded adventures into Iran and Libya.
I don't give a toff about socialist uprisings over there, as long as they keep us out of it. If you want to embrace charity be my guest, unless you've just had to give over half your life savings away then you won't be in a position to unfairly judge us, or any of our minimum wages and say migrants should be first, I don't think you'd want Mexican banks investing into stocks and shares of NYC and then growing a Mexican tower for ex Trump voters.

Point is, house the migrants, but don't give them permanent refuge or they'll seek kindness from you for the rest of their lives. Harsh but true.


Make them citizens, give them low interest loans or grants even in order to start businesses, and educate, educate, educate so they can integrate and contribute to your country. Mass migration has existed long before the beginning of recorded history, and so it's best to roll with it as what's beneficial to a clan, tribe, or nation can.
As for the hypothetical Mexican banks - - foreign banks have been on American shores for years and years, so I'm not going to worry that much.


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03 Dec 2017, 10:08 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Empathy wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
I want banks to stop giving predatory loans to poor countries and stealing their resources. If you're supporting those people migrating, then you're supporting the plans of those evil people.


Kraichgauer wrote:
What's wrong with showing people a heart?
Not all immigrants are desperate and fleeing, but too many are.
We actually agree on how banks prey on the third world. Bankers are bankers, no matter if they screw over people in your neighborhood, or if they do it internationally.


Yeah the problem with all of that is that no one thought about it when they were bleeding the country dry.
Our so called once grieving alliances have got bigger and better things to worry about now that they are stuck in a funnel of their own making. We're not going to be funding any more of America's big adventure schemes and cold blooded adventures into Iran and Libya.
I don't give a toff about socialist uprisings over there, as long as they keep us out of it. If you want to embrace charity be my guest, unless you've just had to give over half your life savings away then you won't be in a position to unfairly judge us, or any of our minimum wages and say migrants should be first, I don't think you'd want Mexican banks investing into stocks and shares of NYC and then growing a Mexican tower for ex Trump voters.

Point is, house the migrants, but don't give them permanent refuge or they'll seek kindness from you for the rest of their lives. Harsh but true.


Make them citizens, give them low interest loans or grants even in order to start businesses, and educate, educate, educate so they can integrate and contribute to your country. Mass migration has existed long before the beginning of recorded history, and so it's best to roll with it as what's beneficial to a clan, tribe, or nation can.
As for the hypothetical Mexican banks - - foreign banks have been on American shores for years and years, so I'm not going to worry that much.


Sorry Bill, they have taken our resources for granted as it is. You could invest in new treaties and help the narrative a bit here, or not but you don't have to worry much do you? It's not our 'Divorce 'Bill', you need to worry about.

Before Trump's banks marched onto your taxes and welfare and healthcare, you didn't stand a chance, but now,
with growing infrastructure and investment from the likes of China, you can.

What do you think has happened to all our infrastructure and industry? Gone, fled to unspoken corruption and, societies bleeding is none the wiser for it neither.



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03 Dec 2017, 10:31 pm

Empathy wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Empathy wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
I want banks to stop giving predatory loans to poor countries and stealing their resources. If you're supporting those people migrating, then you're supporting the plans of those evil people.


Kraichgauer wrote:
What's wrong with showing people a heart?
Not all immigrants are desperate and fleeing, but too many are.
We actually agree on how banks prey on the third world. Bankers are bankers, no matter if they screw over people in your neighborhood, or if they do it internationally.


Yeah the problem with all of that is that no one thought about it when they were bleeding the country dry.
Our so called once grieving alliances have got bigger and better things to worry about now that they are stuck in a funnel of their own making. We're not going to be funding any more of America's big adventure schemes and cold blooded adventures into Iran and Libya.
I don't give a toff about socialist uprisings over there, as long as they keep us out of it. If you want to embrace charity be my guest, unless you've just had to give over half your life savings away then you won't be in a position to unfairly judge us, or any of our minimum wages and say migrants should be first, I don't think you'd want Mexican banks investing into stocks and shares of NYC and then growing a Mexican tower for ex Trump voters.

Point is, house the migrants, but don't give them permanent refuge or they'll seek kindness from you for the rest of their lives. Harsh but true.


Make them citizens, give them low interest loans or grants even in order to start businesses, and educate, educate, educate so they can integrate and contribute to your country. Mass migration has existed long before the beginning of recorded history, and so it's best to roll with it as what's beneficial to a clan, tribe, or nation can.
As for the hypothetical Mexican banks - - foreign banks have been on American shores for years and years, so I'm not going to worry that much.


Sorry Bill, they have taken our resources for granted as it is. You could invest in new treaties and help the narrative a bit here, or not but you don't have to worry much do you? It's not our 'Divorce 'Bill', you need to worry about.

Before Trump's banks marched onto your taxes and welfare and healthcare, you didn't stand a chance, but now,
with growing infrastructure and investment from the likes of China, you can.

What do you think has happened to all our infrastructure and industry? Gone, fled to unspoken corruption and, societies bleeding is none the wiser for it neither.


I concede I am not an expert on immigration to the UK. I'm looking at it from the perspective of an American who takes pride in the ideal of a nation consisting entirely of immigrants and their descendants.


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03 Dec 2017, 10:44 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Empathy wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Empathy wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
I want banks to stop giving predatory loans to poor countries and stealing their resources. If you're supporting those people migrating, then you're supporting the plans of those evil people.


Kraichgauer wrote:
What's wrong with showing people a heart?
Not all immigrants are desperate and fleeing, but too many are.
We actually agree on how banks prey on the third world. Bankers are bankers, no matter if they screw over people in your neighborhood, or if they do it internationally.


Yeah the problem with all of that is that no one thought about it when they were bleeding the country dry.
Our so called once grieving alliances have got bigger and better things to worry about now that they are stuck in a funnel of their own making. We're not going to be funding any more of America's big adventure schemes and cold blooded adventures into Iran and Libya.
I don't give a toff about socialist uprisings over there, as long as they keep us out of it. If you want to embrace charity be my guest, unless you've just had to give over half your life savings away then you won't be in a position to unfairly judge us, or any of our minimum wages and say migrants should be first, I don't think you'd want Mexican banks investing into stocks and shares of NYC and then growing a Mexican tower for ex Trump voters.

Point is, house the migrants, but don't give them permanent refuge or they'll seek kindness from you for the rest of their lives. Harsh but true.


Make them citizens, give them low interest loans or grants even in order to start businesses, and educate, educate, educate so they can integrate and contribute to your country. Mass migration has existed long before the beginning of recorded history, and so it's best to roll with it as what's beneficial to a clan, tribe, or nation can.
As for the hypothetical Mexican banks - - foreign banks have been on American shores for years and years, so I'm not going to worry that much.


Sorry Bill, they have taken our resources for granted as it is. You could invest in new treaties and help the narrative a bit here, or not but you don't have to worry much do you? It's not our 'Divorce 'Bill', you need to worry about.

Before Trump's banks marched onto your taxes and welfare and healthcare, you didn't stand a chance, but now,
with growing infrastructure and investment from the likes of China, you can.

What do you think has happened to all our infrastructure and industry? Gone, fled to unspoken corruption and, societies bleeding is none the wiser for it neither.


I concede I am not an expert on immigration to the UK. I'm looking at it from the perspective of an American who takes pride in the ideal of a nation consisting entirely of immigrants and their descendants.


We're all proud to be immigrants, but I concede its each country to their own, who makes the laws.
Only a Sophisticated woman would heed or take charge to that legality.



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04 Dec 2017, 12:38 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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You're making a false claim that all "immigrants" are just coming here out of desperation. But sure, I don't blame immigrants for doing that in the slightest. But that isn't dealing with the route causes. I want banks to stop giving predatory loans to poor countries and stealing their resources. If you're supporting those people migrating, then you're supporting the plans of those evil people.


No, not all immigrants are desperate and fleeing, but too many are.
We actually agree on how banks prey on the third world. Bankers are bankers, no matter if they screw over people in your neighborhood, or if they do it internationally.


They are illegal immigrants then. Flooding them into over countries will just keep the evil atrocities going on forever.
Yep!


They're all illegal immigrants? Huh?


Not sure what I meant either. If they're coming to the country without applying, then yes, they're illegal.


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04 Dec 2017, 12:39 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Mark Blyth shedding more light on US and European populism:



'populism' just means a lot of people voting for something the establishment dislikes. Think that falls under democracy too....


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04 Dec 2017, 12:41 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Empathy wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
I want banks to stop giving predatory loans to poor countries and stealing their resources. If you're supporting those people migrating, then you're supporting the plans of those evil people.


Kraichgauer wrote:
What's wrong with showing people a heart?
Not all immigrants are desperate and fleeing, but too many are.
We actually agree on how banks prey on the third world. Bankers are bankers, no matter if they screw over people in your neighborhood, or if they do it internationally.


Yeah the problem with all of that is that no one thought about it when they were bleeding the country dry.
Our so called once grieving alliances have got bigger and better things to worry about now that they are stuck in a funnel of their own making. We're not going to be funding any more of America's big adventure schemes and cold blooded adventures into Iran and Libya.
I don't give a toff about socialist uprisings over there, as long as they keep us out of it. If you want to embrace charity be my guest, unless you've just had to give over half your life savings away then you won't be in a position to unfairly judge us, or any of our minimum wages and say migrants should be first, I don't think you'd want Mexican banks investing into stocks and shares of NYC and then growing a Mexican tower for ex Trump voters.

Point is, house the migrants, but don't give them permanent refuge or they'll seek kindness from you for the rest of their lives. Harsh but true.


Make them citizens, give them low interest loans or grants even in order to start businesses, and educate, educate, educate so they can integrate and contribute to your country. Mass migration has existed long before the beginning of recorded history, and so it's best to roll with it as what's beneficial to a clan, tribe, or nation can.
As for the hypothetical Mexican banks - - foreign banks have been on American shores for years and years, so I'm not going to worry that much.


We're a tiny island, and we've never had mass immigration like this. It's a disaster.


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04 Dec 2017, 12:51 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Empathy wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
I want banks to stop giving predatory loans to poor countries and stealing their resources. If you're supporting those people migrating, then you're supporting the plans of those evil people.


Kraichgauer wrote:
What's wrong with showing people a heart?
Not all immigrants are desperate and fleeing, but too many are.
We actually agree on how banks prey on the third world. Bankers are bankers, no matter if they screw over people in your neighborhood, or if they do it internationally.


Yeah the problem with all of that is that no one thought about it when they were bleeding the country dry.
Our so called once grieving alliances have got bigger and better things to worry about now that they are stuck in a funnel of their own making. We're not going to be funding any more of America's big adventure schemes and cold blooded adventures into Iran and Libya.
I don't give a toff about socialist uprisings over there, as long as they keep us out of it. If you want to embrace charity be my guest, unless you've just had to give over half your life savings away then you won't be in a position to unfairly judge us, or any of our minimum wages and say migrants should be first, I don't think you'd want Mexican banks investing into stocks and shares of NYC and then growing a Mexican tower for ex Trump voters.

Point is, house the migrants, but don't give them permanent refuge or they'll seek kindness from you for the rest of their lives. Harsh but true.


Make them citizens, give them low interest loans or grants even in order to start businesses, and educate, educate, educate so they can integrate and contribute to your country. Mass migration has existed long before the beginning of recorded history, and so it's best to roll with it as what's beneficial to a clan, tribe, or nation can.
As for the hypothetical Mexican banks - - foreign banks have been on American shores for years and years, so I'm not going to worry that much.


We're a tiny island, and we've never had mass immigration like this. It's a disaster.


In your opinion, which many people don't share.



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04 Dec 2017, 8:21 pm

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'populism' just means a lot of people voting for something the establishment dislikes. Think that falls under democracy too....

I had a feeling no one was going to watch it but that's fine - it really just throw these things up in the off chance that someone finds something useful/interesting in it.

I really don't think its a useless term. It means that at ground level the system's hurting enough that people are getting stirred up by demagogues quite often and it means that the elites and technocrats are failing to some extent in their roles. Aside from factory-made activists most people don't get stirred up for the sake of it and there's always a good chance that the elites can float off to another planet and lose touch with the base of the pyramid. To call the 'populism' label a blanket dismissal though would be incorrect, it's a symptom of legitimate problems that people are reacting to whether they know how to express it or whether people expressing it for them are doing particularly well at it let alone have any good solutions.


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I don't know, also Trump finally got his tax bill passed which means more tax breaks for the wealthy at the expense of the average tax paying citizen, that doesn't seem like a good thing but I am sure some of his supporters are cheering him on while he screws them over to.


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04 Dec 2017, 10:17 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Empathy wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
I want banks to stop giving predatory loans to poor countries and stealing their resources. If you're supporting those people migrating, then you're supporting the plans of those evil people.


Kraichgauer wrote:
What's wrong with showing people a heart?
Not all immigrants are desperate and fleeing, but too many are.
We actually agree on how banks prey on the third world. Bankers are bankers, no matter if they screw over people in your neighborhood, or if they do it internationally.


Yeah the problem with all of that is that no one thought about it when they were bleeding the country dry.
Our so called once grieving alliances have got bigger and better things to worry about now that they are stuck in a funnel of their own making. We're not going to be funding any more of America's big adventure schemes and cold blooded adventures into Iran and Libya.
I don't give a toff about socialist uprisings over there, as long as they keep us out of it. If you want to embrace charity be my guest, unless you've just had to give over half your life savings away then you won't be in a position to unfairly judge us, or any of our minimum wages and say migrants should be first, I don't think you'd want Mexican banks investing into stocks and shares of NYC and then growing a Mexican tower for ex Trump voters.

Point is, house the migrants, but don't give them permanent refuge or they'll seek kindness from you for the rest of their lives. Harsh but true.


Make them citizens, give them low interest loans or grants even in order to start businesses, and educate, educate, educate so they can integrate and contribute to your country. Mass migration has existed long before the beginning of recorded history, and so it's best to roll with it as what's beneficial to a clan, tribe, or nation can.
As for the hypothetical Mexican banks - - foreign banks have been on American shores for years and years, so I'm not going to worry that much.


We're a tiny island, and we've never had mass immigration like this. It's a disaster.


We've always had mass immigration...


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I don't know, also Trump finally got his tax bill passed which means more tax breaks for the wealthy at the expense of the average tax paying citizen, that doesn't seem like a good thing but I am sure some of his supporters are cheering him on while he screws them over to.


I just find it so odd that rednecks voted him in when they hate New York as well as think rich people are "city slickers". I guess him claiming that he is a Christian gives him honorary redneck status.



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I don't know, also Trump finally got his tax bill passed which means more tax breaks for the wealthy at the expense of the average tax paying citizen, that doesn't seem like a good thing but I am sure some of his supporters are cheering him on while he screws them over to.


I just find it so odd that rednecks voted him in when they hate New York as well as think rich people are "city slickers". I guess him claiming that he is a Christian gives him honorary redneck status.


I suppose he got that status because he said everything they believe: white people are getting screwed over by minorities and immigrants (both legal and illegal), hating LGBT Americans, hating science, hating so called elites (anyone who isn't a redneck) by praising the common working man... and oh, lest I forget, a very loveless view of a demanding, judgmental God.


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Kraichgauer wrote:
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Sweetleaf wrote:
I don't know, also Trump finally got his tax bill passed which means more tax breaks for the wealthy at the expense of the average tax paying citizen, that doesn't seem like a good thing but I am sure some of his supporters are cheering him on while he screws them over to.


I just find it so odd that rednecks voted him in when they hate New York as well as think rich people are "city slickers". I guess him claiming that he is a Christian gives him honorary redneck status.


I suppose he got that status because he said everything they believe: white people are getting screwed over by minorities and immigrants (both legal and illegal), hating LGBT Americans, hating science, hating so called elites (anyone who isn't a redneck) by praising the common working man... and oh, lest I forget, a very loveless view of a demanding, judgmental God.


What's even odder is that rednecks don't even like other white ethnic groups. My mother told me rednecks really hated Cajuns and remembers seeing Cajun only drinking fountains when she was younger. I also read that redneck schools abused Cajun children for speaking French. My father, stepfather, and grandfather also never tire of making jokes about French people. :roll: