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24 Nov 2017, 5:24 pm

It would be full of atheists/non theistic religions, liberals, no feminists, everyone would give to society and society would give to them, there would be a flexible school system that teaches people of all ages whatever they want to learn rather than forcing people to learn things they don't like.



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25 Nov 2017, 8:45 am

Wouldn't that be nice?

You should write an Eutopian novel about such a society.



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25 Nov 2017, 10:51 am

There could never be a "perfect society".



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25 Nov 2017, 3:33 pm

Seriously. Plato tried to do that. It’s called “The Republic.”



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25 Nov 2017, 3:52 pm

If it wasn't for feminists, I wouldn't be allowed to do what I'm actually doing right now, like be able to vote without being arrested, jailed and tortured, leave my home legally without a male escort, not be married against my will, and not be tortured or jailed for disobeying or talking back to males in general.

And there will be a perfect society because humans are not perfect, as if that weren't obvious. Whenever anyone has tried to make it perfect, they did it by banishing, locking up, torturing, and killing anyone they deemed unworthy, like disabled people, which made everything even less perfect. Nothing has changed. :x



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25 Nov 2017, 3:54 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Seriously. Plato tried to do that. It’s called “The Republic.”


I think Plato was right in some ways.... unintelligent people really shouldn't be allowed to vote.



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25 Nov 2017, 5:23 pm

Who gets to decide who is intelligent and unintelligent? What makes a person intelligent or unintelligent? A liberal may think conservatives are all unintelligent, and a conservative may think the same about liberals.



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25 Nov 2017, 6:39 pm

I think it's possible there could be a perfect society, just not one with current day humans in it.

We are still in the age of scarcity (for most) and until we pass that, there will always be a class system and the problems associated with it.

I know the world of Star Trek (TNG not Discovery) isn't perfect but it gives me a little hope that we can do better.


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25 Nov 2017, 7:57 pm

lostonearth35 wrote:
If it wasn't for feminists, I wouldn't be allowed to do what I'm actually doing right now, like be able to vote without being arrested, jailed and tortured, leave my home legally without a male escort, not be married against my will, and not be tortured or jailed for disobeying or talking back to males in general.

And there will be a perfect society because humans are not perfect, as if that weren't obvious. Whenever anyone has tried to make it perfect, they did it by banishing, locking up, torturing, and killing anyone they deemed unworthy, like disabled people, which made everything even less perfect. Nothing has changed. :x



I was talking about 3rd wave feminism.
And what's wrong with killing killers?



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28 Nov 2017, 3:21 am

foxxi wrote:
It would be full of atheists/non theistic religions, liberals, no feminists, everyone would give to society and society would give to them, there would be a flexible school system that teaches people of all ages whatever they want to learn rather than forcing people to learn things they don't like.


It can't be a perfect society, it lacks feminists. :wink:

But seriously, wouldn't we all love a perfect society? Unfortunately we can't even define what a perfect society would resemble, let alone come up with a viable plan to implement it.


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28 Nov 2017, 10:36 am

I think one of the things that would help society if the media would stop making magazines and stuff like that with photoshopped bodies of women, because girls who try to look like these women, will never be able to do so, since it was digitally altered. Another change in society I wish could happen is a reduction of sexualizing women in media, and to let women be able to make more commercials, films, etc., since almost all of the commercials, films, TV shows are produced/created by men, that way that women can show people that these reinforced myths, stereotypes, etc. of women are not really true. Even though that may take awhile to happen, I certainly hope that this will occur in my lifetime, that way I can at least feel optimistic that some of the problems that the matriarchal society had are gone.

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28 Nov 2017, 10:57 am

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I think one of the things that would help society if the media would stop making magazines and stuff like that with photoshopped bodies of women, because girls who try to look like these women, will never be able to do so, since it was digitally altered. Another change in society I wish could happen is a reduction of sexualizing women in media, and to let women be able to make more commercials, films, etc., since almost all of the commercials, films, TV shows are produced/created by men, that way that women can show people that these reinforced myths, stereotypes, etc. of women are not really true. Even though that may take awhile to happen, I certainly hope that this will occur in my lifetime, that way I can at least feel optimistic that some of the problems that the matriarchal society had are gone.

-LegoMaster2149 (Written on November 28, 2017)


It's natural to sexualize both men and women, we are sexual creatures.
And yes, I don't like the whole Photoshop thing, but what about the men who are photoshopped and how we are all expected to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger.



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28 Nov 2017, 11:03 am

foxxi wrote:
LegoMaster2149 wrote:
I think one of the things that would help society if the media would stop making magazines and stuff like that with photoshopped bodies of women, because girls who try to look like these women, will never be able to do so, since it was digitally altered. Another change in society I wish could happen is a reduction of sexualizing women in media, and to let women be able to make more commercials, films, etc., since almost all of the commercials, films, TV shows are produced/created by men, that way that women can show people that these reinforced myths, stereotypes, etc. of women are not really true. Even though that may take awhile to happen, I certainly hope that this will occur in my lifetime, that way I can at least feel optimistic that some of the problems that the matriarchal society had are gone.

-LegoMaster2149 (Written on November 28, 2017)


It's natural to sexualize both men and women, we are sexual creatures.
And yes, I don't like the whole Photoshop thing, but what about the men who are photoshopped and how we are all expected to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger.


That too, I completely forgot about that.



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28 Nov 2017, 11:51 am

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foxxi wrote:
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I think one of the things that would help society if the media would stop making magazines and stuff like that with photoshopped bodies of women, because girls who try to look like these women, will never be able to do so, since it was digitally altered. Another change in society I wish could happen is a reduction of sexualizing women in media, and to let women be able to make more commercials, films, etc., since almost all of the commercials, films, TV shows are produced/created by men, that way that women can show people that these reinforced myths, stereotypes, etc. of women are not really true. Even though that may take awhile to happen, I certainly hope that this will occur in my lifetime, that way I can at least feel optimistic that some of the problems that the matriarchal society had are gone.

-LegoMaster2149 (Written on November 28, 2017)


It's natural to sexualize both men and women, we are sexual creatures.
And yes, I don't like the whole Photoshop thing, but what about the men who are photoshopped and how we are all expected to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger.


That too, I completely forgot about that.


Well, at least you're not a man hating feminist like, sadly, so many are.



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28 Nov 2017, 12:15 pm

foxxi wrote:
LegoMaster2149 wrote:
foxxi wrote:
LegoMaster2149 wrote:
I think one of the things that would help society if the media would stop making magazines and stuff like that with photoshopped bodies of women, because girls who try to look like these women, will never be able to do so, since it was digitally altered. Another change in society I wish could happen is a reduction of sexualizing women in media, and to let women be able to make more commercials, films, etc., since almost all of the commercials, films, TV shows are produced/created by men, that way that women can show people that these reinforced myths, stereotypes, etc. of women are not really true. Even though that may take awhile to happen, I certainly hope that this will occur in my lifetime, that way I can at least feel optimistic that some of the problems that the matriarchal society had are gone.

-LegoMaster2149 (Written on November 28, 2017)


It's natural to sexualize both men and women, we are sexual creatures.
And yes, I don't like the whole Photoshop thing, but what about the men who are photoshopped and how we are all expected to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger.


That too, I completely forgot about that.


Well, at least you're not a man hating feminist like, sadly, so many are.


You might be well-served to interact with actual feminists instead of just straw-feminists.


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28 Nov 2017, 1:23 pm

Meh, I think if you're still a feminist at this point you have to be the type that's just looking to be offended. Nobody wants to admit that things are good, they want to remain perpetual victims so they try to convince people of myths like the wage gap.