Trump Declaring War on 1.5 Million muslims

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06 Dec 2017, 3:55 pm

DONALD Trump has broken with seven decades of US policy in a move one official says is “declaring war on 1.5 billion Muslims.”
http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-eas ... a9659309a1

DONALD Trump has declared Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, in a provocative move one Palestinian official has blasted as the “kiss of death” for peace in the Middle East.
In a speech at the White House this morning, Mr Trump officially recognised the holy city as the capital of Israel and declared his intention to move the US embassy there from Tel Aviv.
“Today we finally acknowledge the obvious: that Jerusalem is Israel’s capital,” he said.
“This is nothing more or less than a recognition of reality. It is also the right thing to do.”



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06 Dec 2017, 4:00 pm

The idea was actually Bill Clinton's, by the way and is official Democrat party policy. it was approved by the Senate by 90-0.



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06 Dec 2017, 6:27 pm

eh, something something end times holy war. Moving on.


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06 Dec 2017, 10:52 pm

It's time for Donald the Lionheart to bring back the crusades.

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07 Dec 2017, 2:02 pm

Obama made the same declaration when he was president. The only difference between him and Trump is that Trump is actually going to do it. As far as the Muslims go, I suppose they'll just have to get used to it.


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07 Dec 2017, 3:49 pm

Obama didn't go through with it as he was only "sabre rattling". Trump hasn't thought things through (surprise surprise!)

The problem is they likely won't "get used to it" and it will not just remain a running sore but inspire borderline extremists to cross the line over perceived loss of "muslim holy lands"

Crossing the line will probably result in deaths of innocent people but I guess collateral damage is never something that's bothered the orange one...



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07 Dec 2017, 3:53 pm

I read a news article early in Obama's reign about his first trip to Saudi Arabia.

Those who he was meeting with had a list of things they wished to discuss. Obama only wanted to discuss one thing -- the rights of the Palestinian Muslims. That weren't anywhere on Saudi Arabia's list.

It seems that non-Muslims care more about the plight of the Palestinian Muslims than other Muslims in the Middle East.



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07 Dec 2017, 4:02 pm

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It seems that non-Muslims care more about the plight of the Palestinian Muslims than other Muslims in the Middle East.

That's not correct. I worked in Indonesia and Malaysia (non-Arab muslim countries) and the news media are literally obsessed with Israel. Whatever else is happening there is always a news story on the Palestinians. It remains a massive issue for all muslims when they pray in mosques over the perception that unbelievers (Jews) have occupied their holy land. I should imagine the hype is much greater in the Arab world.

While the average muslim in Saudi Arabia may not care about individual suffering of Palestinian people they care about pan-islamic power and after Mecca - Jerusalem is the second most important geographic place of importance for all "devout" muslims.



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07 Dec 2017, 4:15 pm

Are they concerned about the Muslims for themselves or because of their common enemy, Israel?



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07 Dec 2017, 4:20 pm

kokopelli wrote:
Are they concerned about the Muslims for themselves or because of their common enemy, Israel?

I think it goes deeper than that. If you read the Al-Quran (I've read the English translation) Mohammed accuses the Jews of conspiring with his enemies and this theme has entered into common perception of Muslims so naturally the declaration of Israel was perceived as the occupation of Palestine by an old mortal enemy.



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07 Dec 2017, 7:25 pm

The political universe has changed in the mid east as evidenced by peace plan Saudi Arabia was reported to have presented to the Palestinians.

Report: Saudi Arabia presented Abbas with peace deal that benefits Israel

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A day before US President Donald Trump’s expected announcement about the American recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital city, the New York Times released the details of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’ recent meeting with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman. The report, which was released late Sunday, states that bin Salman presented a solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to Abbas during the meeting. According to Palestinian and European officials, Abbas left Saudi Arabia disappointed.

The report added that after last month’s impromptu meeting, Abbas claimed that no Palestinian leader could ever accept such a solution because it clearly benefited Israel more than the Palestinian side. The meeting occurred less than two weeks after Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner flew to Riyadh to discuss the conflict with senior Saudi officials.

Under the plan, the Palestinians would receive a state of their own. However, this state would consist of non-contiguous parts in the West Bank and Gaza over which the Palestinians would not have complete sovereignty. In addition, the Palestinians would not get East Jerusalem as their capital and there would not be a right of return for Palestinian refugees. The White House has confirmed that these are the main points of the plan but stressed that the proposal has not been finalized.

The Saudis have denied that they support the plan, claiming that they are committed to the main ideas of the 2002 Arab Peace Initiative. “The Kingdom remains committed to a settlement based on the Arab peace initiative of 2002, including East Jerusalem as the capital of a Palestinian state based on the 1967 borders,” Saudi Ambassador to the United States Prince Khalid bin Salman stated. “To suggest otherwise is false.”


If true the plan is basically Lukid's negotiating position. Since even before Israel was born they were viewed the biggest existential threat, the next crusade. Supporting the Palestinians was a good way to keep the Arab street quiet until such time as the rest of the middle east could find a way to push the Jewish interlopers into the sea. Nowadays the Palestinian issue is considered a nuisance that is in the way the main concern of the moment the Sunni - Shia conflict. Israel, America, and Saudi Arabia are in a de facto alliance against Iran. The only people still concerned for the Palestinians are the Palestinians and the left in Europe and America.

If any President but Trump made this move it would have been applauded by most US politicians but in the resist anything Trump does era this becomes unpalatable. So this move could not have come at a less strategically bad time. But we are talking about Trump so its entirely plausible this move was not made for strategic reasons but because Israel is one of the few places where Trump is popular.


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07 Dec 2017, 7:41 pm

I think the fact that there are 1.5 billion people who think recognising a states chosen capital is an act of war is more concerning. I wish society would stop portraying Muslims as these innocent victims they are not.



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07 Dec 2017, 7:43 pm

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This is nothing more or less than a recognition of reality. It is also the right thing to do.


It's neither Mr. Trump. Someone please remove this imbecile from office, before he does something really stupid (like start World War 3). He's done enough damage already and, no, I am not a "disgruntled Hillary supporter".



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07 Dec 2017, 7:49 pm

Daniel89 wrote:
I think the fact that there are 1.5 billion people who think recognising a states chosen capital is an act of war is more concerning. I wish society would stop portraying Muslims as these innocent victims they are not.


There are riots in the west bank but I am not seeing anything resembling 150,000,000 Muslims mobilizing against America. I do not think Arab leaders would be thrilled to see their citizens gathering in the streets so soon after the Arab Spring


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07 Dec 2017, 7:54 pm

Trump is the "Abomination of Desolation " spoken of in Matthew. :lol:


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07 Dec 2017, 8:14 pm

He's not declared war on all Muslims, that's just tripe. He's declaring war on the Palestinians. All that nonsense about Putin being his master, when in reality it is Kushner and Netanyahu. See, the people getting angry are the Palestinians in the West Bank, the ones that are being racially colonized by the alleged chosen race of God, who have to live beside Israel's racial colonies. Drive on dirt road and go through army checkpoints while the chosen race go on Jewish only highways. If you're blabbing on about religion, you have zero idea what you are talking about and just have been made gullible by the disinformation specialists that are the mainstream media. The main anger is because East Jerusalem is occupied Palestinian territory under International Law and this just shows the US and Israel have no interest in peace and a future Palestinian state. At least Trump doesn't pretend to be such.


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