The irrational standards women have toward men

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I know NT people with average or slighly below average look. They all have a stable job and some earn good amount of money but they still struggle to find a woman because nowadays women prefer only the top 20% men in terms of physical appearance.

They say women care about personality before appearance but it's a lie. Based on many men and including my experiences women rather focus on physical appearance ever more so than men where as most of us are willing to settle down with women we barely find attractive on the physical level.
We're rather attracted to personal qualities than women, while women have a stronger interest in physical appearance and material aspects. Since how many men have you heard of not dating with a waitress? Not many but nearly all women have requirements in terms of education, salary and physical appearance when it comes dating with the other sex.

I don't wanna sound like a "woman hater" or anything. There're some good women out there who accept us like the way we are, but it's certainly sucks to be a man in 2018 when we have to bypass male models, actors to have attention from the other sex.
I've considered myself to turn gay or date men but I'm heterosexual so it would be hard for me to change my sexuality but if I can't find a woman I'd be willing to settle down with a man if things don't change or accept celibacy.

I look like a normal average guy and I have a girlfriend. I'm certainly not in the top 20%. I guess some women don't make normal looking men.

That's life.


Sorry, don't mean to be dismissive but this topic has been discussed to death here.

The vast majority of women here will consider you sexist and disagree, many of the men here will agree and say you have a point but many also will disagree.

My views are that while in many countries the treatment of people with mental health problems has improved and it is easier for aspies to get the help they need, when it comes to dating the standards for being an average male are HIGHER than they were in the past and equal or only slightly greater than women.

For example a lot of women want a man with a good job.

It's harder to get a job nowadays in many places and in many places you now NEED a university degree to be qualified for most jobs.

1,000 years ago the average man was a medieval peasant. Most people were illiterate back then so he couldn't read or write. He would work hard on the fields all day for a wealthy landlord. His pay was measly but it was enough for him and his family even if he had to go without dinner here and there.

50 years ago a university degree was for the wealthy/elite. It was expensive and gave you an advantage in the job market.

Now a university degree costs MORE than it did back then but is considered a standard/requirement/minimum for most jobs.

So average people are paying more for university degrees than rich kids did 50 years ago.

Thanks to inflation the cost of everything including housing has skyrocketed. We are living in a more complex and expensive society than 5,000, 1,000, 100, and 50 years ago.

As for the mal actor/super model thing, I agree.

Look at men in the media just a few decades ago and plenty of famous male actors were average looking blokes and muscular guys were rare.

Now I'd say 75% of movies and TV shows I see nowadays the men are exceptionally muscular and fit and the percentage of people who use steroids is growing according to some research. These men have shredded abs and bulging biceps that can only be achieved through steroid usage and they are plastered all over movies and TV nowadays.

50 years ago people with bodies like Hugh Jackman and Taylor Lautner were considered incredibly god-like and rare but now they're what most male actors try to look like.

The average guy has a partner.
By 2012, only 23% of American men over the age of 25 had never been married but a good number of those have probably had partners. The guys who don't managed to get partners are in the minority.

It says men have been married but it didn't say the divorce rates and the numbers of men living a single life. On the other hand women have had multiple partners and lose virginity earlier than men on average.

Also I'd be curious at the number of suicide rates among men who divorced and became financially bankrupt due to "financially raped by court" and the irrationality of child support requirements. Women supposedly want equality, so then we should have equal tax paying system where women pay half of the taxes while they pay only 30% of all taxes the rest is being payed by men.

“In 2014, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that 124.6 million Americans 16 years and older were single, or 50.2 percent of the population, compared with 37.4 percent of the population in 1976.“
Why are 12.8% more of ameriances single now vs in 1976?

Disclaimer: I’m not talking about all women, some women aren’t this way. So in no way am I suggesting all women or women on this forum are this way.

I think it’s because women are becoming more and more too picky. Since most guys would gladly date most women. Unemployment rose in that time, along with more and more women going to college and getting high paid jobs. So more people become unemployed mean while more women go into the job market. Job opportunity also goes down as jobs are shipped over seas. So more and more men are unemployed to make room for women. A lot of Women find these men unattractive, unlovable and undateable, not real men. Thus 50% single population. Along with it our fertile rate goes down. Women need to become less picky as they become equal, take jobs from men, and become better paid then most men. Instead they raise their standards. I suspect in 25 years we have 75% or more single. What happens when 90% of the population is so nope will women realize their mistake then?

Women need to change their standards to match changing society. Feminism did this. And I support equality and women working but doesn’t change their standards need to go down. They need to be more accepting of less paid men. Times have changed it’s not 1950 any more. Time to throw out the male stereotype, time to throw out idea male attractive qualities. That or we slowly die off, or if women won’t change maybe we should just fully revert to 1950s women can be housewife’s again :p with less women working men will find jobs and become the men women desire. Women can’t have it both ways. They can’t have high paid jobs and expect most of all men to also have high paid jobs, it’s impossible. Every job a woman takes is one less job a man takes. There isn’t enough jobs for everyone, including low paid jobs. Certainly isn’t enough well paid jobs for every man and woman in the USA. I find women crazy and irrational that they expect there to be a well paid man for every woman In USA. 0.o

The only good I see is that for every poor guy like me single there’s some sad woman who’s single cause she won’t date a guy who doesn’t make more then her. It then she might just be some well of guys 2nd,3rd, 4th misstess

Since women can stand on their own they shouldn't require a man to earn more and pay their bills or if they have children to take care of them. It's not based on love but selfism and hypocrisy.

How many of those 124.6 million people are under 25 though? People tend to have very touch and go relationships until their mid to late 20s.

To answer your question, what happened between 1976 and 2014? Well a lot of older people who married when marriage was something people did young because they were expected to, died, leaving single widows and widowers, and a lot of people who were too young to marry in 2014 by modern standards were born. The age distribution of the population is bottom heavy, with more younger people than older people and people aren't forming long term relationships until they are older.

It still stands that the average man is not single.

Are you sure it’s that, there is no possibility that your personality and methods of interacting with people are unattractive? Can you explain why so many short, bald and overweight men seem to have families?

lol sly. No one needs to change their standards. It’s your problem they aren’t attracted to you, not theirs. Feminism is about the oppression and mistreatment of women. If someone doesn’t want to date you, they’re not mistreating you. No one owes someone else their attraction.

You like healthy weight women, right? You sexually prefer them? Women with feminine body shapes? It’s because it’s what biology dictates. Healthy women promote healthy offspring. You don’t have to be attracted to fat women if you’re not feeling it.

Biology dictates in women to go for good providers, strong men who protect and provide, negotiation and social authority which adds to that protection etc.

How exactly is it fair for you to be allowed to not feel anything for fat women, but it’s not okay for women to follow those biological instincts?

It really seems more like you are all butt hurt no one will have you so you blame the world. It’s the way it is. I’m not ideal for men, and I don’t expect them to change for me!! !! !

We have twice as many female ancestors as we do male ancestors its biology that women seek men with high social value we are primates after all.

I'm not butthurt at all. I haven't been on any dating site nor even had a date for 2 years from now. I don't care anymore because it's all a big fuss about nothing but I see many of my male fellows suffer because of it and I'd highly advocate men to refuse dating women because it doesn't worth. Most women just use men for their money or status.

It's a lie that personality matters the most when it's looks.



Racist guy still manages to get attention because of his looks

+1. Ourselves is the only thing that we can expect to change.



No, that's patriarchy.

I don’t think anyone is saying looks don’t matter. It, however, still does not explain the fact socially normal fat short and bald men still have plenty of luck. For men who are average looking, personality and confidence is everything, and they do get success.

What do you want people here to do? Tell you to get plastic surgery?

For some people it is the solution. If you are behind in the looks department then you should at least consider it.

"For men who are average looking, personality and confidence is everything"

Personality, confidence = looks. Good looking men are more confident and have a better personality because women automatically think good looking men have good personality.

You can fool most guys here with these general female talks like "we like nice guys" when it's mostly a lie women keep repeating over and over.

THIS!