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12 Mar 2018, 4:15 pm

Nazism did not go away after WW2. Fact is, a lot of people continued to be nazis even after the war and the evidences for the genocides was documentet. Actually a lot of the nazis don't just deny holocaust, they admit it and say that it was the "right thing to do".

A growing number of people, and I'm talking everybody from regular working class people to wealthy entrepreneurs, are supporting the nazis.

To avoid EU becoming one big nazi-regime, I suggest the following:

* Death penalty or life-sentences to anyone denying or supporting the holocaust.
* Any member of a proclaimed nazi-organization or organization with nazi-sympathies, should recieve Death Penalty, without the right to appeal.
* Ban on far-right political parties.
* Compulsory Community Service and deprivation of basic civic rights (right to vote, free speech etc.) to anyone supporting far-right political parties.



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12 Mar 2018, 4:37 pm

It's not that hard to understand. People know that the system is screwed up, but they don't know why.

In reality, the American system is screwed up because there are no laws against corruption. Seriously. In America, political bribery is fully legal. That's why it is omnipresent. The American courts seriously believe that regulating political bribery would be a violation of the First Amendment.

Some people don't understand this, and so they blame the Jews.

This is nonsensical because Nazi anti-Semitism is racial anti-Semitism. Nazis believe that Jews continue to be Jewish even when they abandon Judaism. This makes no sense because many medieval European Jews converted to Christianity and then managed to assimilate into European society. As a result, most white people are part Jewish.


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12 Mar 2018, 4:45 pm

The hanging and shooting of nazis immediatly after WW2 was the right thing to do.



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12 Mar 2018, 4:53 pm

This is exactly the kind of thing that happens when people don't think critically.

Truth be told - almost no one find naziism appealing or interesting on its own, and things have to be going pretty badly on one frontier or several frontiers simultaneously for even people slightly leaning that way to be shoved into their arms. The much bigger question is, if support for the far right is increasing in Europe you have to ask what's it a symptom of? What's driving it? Short of that you won't know what's going on, you won't fix the problem, and whatever suggestion you make as a remedy (your list was an absolute perfect demonstration of what not to do) will just make matters worse.

As appealing as it is to respond to this with self-righteous religious fervor it's really the last thing you want to do because it ignores the problem, adds more aggitating factors if people take it seriously, and it pushes even more people to the odious ranks of both the far right and left.


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12 Mar 2018, 4:56 pm

Physically exterminating all remaining Nazis at the end of World War 2 would have only turned them into martyrs to be venerated by the next generation of Nazis.

People want things simple. Scapegoats make things simple. Therefore, people like scapegoats.


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12 Mar 2018, 4:59 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
This is exactly the kind of thing that happens when people don't think critically.

Truth be told - almost no one find naziism appealing or interesting on its own, and things have to be going pretty badly on one frontier or several frontiers simultaneously for even people slightly leaning that way to be shoved into their arms. The much bigger question is, if support for the far right is increasing in Europe you have to ask what's it a symptom of? What's driving it? Short of that you won't know what's going on, you won't fix the problem, and whatever suggestion you make as a remedy (your list was an absolute perfect demonstration of what not to do) will just make matters worse.

As appealing as it is to respond to this with self-righteous religious fervor it's really the last thing you want to do because it ignores the problem, adds more aggitating factors if people take it seriously, and it pushes even more people to the odious ranks of both the far right and left.


People become nazis because people are evil.
Evil people should be sorted out. We must clean the society from the nazis.



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12 Mar 2018, 5:02 pm

thinkinginpictures wrote:
People become nazis because people are evil.
Evil people should be sorted out. We must clean the society from the nazis.

Sounds like your understanding of people is almost as impoverished as your understanding of naziism.

You need to consider defining 'evil' carefully, and when and if you do take that endeavor seriously you'll find that it's an amorphous grab-bag of unrelated things that are much more complex and group psychology and circumstance oriented most cases than you ever would have thought. The really rough part - nearly everyone is capable of it if they're twisted or pushed hard enough by their circumstances.


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12 Mar 2018, 5:06 pm

thinkinginpictures wrote:
The hanging and shooting of nazis immediatly after WW2 was the right thing to do.

Unfortunately they hanged and shot too few. They should execute ALL the nazis! Without exception!


Well ... this raises a lot of questions.

What is a Nazi? Do you need to call yourself a Nazi in order to be one? The vast majority of people who admire Hitler nowadys call themselves "white seperatists", "white nationalists" "racial seperatists", "human biodiversity proponenets", ect. Are the Ku Klux Klan Nazis? Are the Golden Dawn Nazis? Are National Bolshevists Nazis? Are Ustashe Nazis? Are the members of the Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging Nazis? Are the BNP Nazis?

If we are going to start punishing people for being Nazis, we first need a very clear definition of who is and isn't a Nazi.

Addtionally, we also need to consider the black seperatists who hate Jews such as Malik Zulu Shabazz. Do you have to be white to be a Nazi? Can black anti-Semites be called Nazis?

There are many fundamentalist Christians and Muslims who hate the Jewish religion, but have nothing against people who are genetically Jewish. Are they Nazis?

We can't start punishing Nazis until we can agree on what a Nazi is.


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12 Mar 2018, 5:06 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
thinkinginpictures wrote:
People become nazis because people are evil.
Evil people should be sorted out. We must clean the society from the nazis.

Sounds like your understanding of people is almost as impoverished as your understanding of naziism.

You need to consider defining 'evil' carefully, and when and if you do take that endeavor seriously you'll find that it's an amorphous grab-bag of unrelated things that are much more complex and group psychology and circumstance oriented most cases than you ever would have thought.


Under no circumstances can nazism be justified. Therefore, given any circumstances, all nazis are by definition evil.



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12 Mar 2018, 5:08 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
thinkinginpictures wrote:
The hanging and shooting of nazis immediatly after WW2 was the right thing to do.

Unfortunately they hanged and shot too few. They should execute ALL the nazis! Without exception!


Well ... this raises a lot of questions.

What is a Nazi? Do you need to call yourself a Nazi in order to be one? The vast majority of people who admire Hitler nowadys call themselves "white seperatists", "white nationalists" "racial seperatists", "human biodiversity proponenets", ect. Are the Ku Klux Klan Nazis? Are the Golden Dawn Nazis? Are National Bolshevists Nazis? Are Ustashe Nazis? Are the members of the Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging Nazis? Are the BNP Nazis?

If we are going to start punishing people for being Nazis, we first need a very clear definition of who is and isn't a Nazi.

Addtionally, we also need to consider the black seperatists who hate Jews such as Malik Zulu Shabazz. Do you have to be white to be a Nazi? Can black anti-Semites be called Nazis?

There are many fundamentalist Christians and Muslims who hate the Jewish religion, but have nothing against people who are genetically Jewish. Are they Nazis?

We can't start punishing Nazis until we can agree on what a Nazi is.


You very well defined the nazis by your list. For instance, I'd say Ku Klux Klan should be banned for being nazi.

I'd say all of the mentioned members are nazis, and should be punished accordingly.



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12 Mar 2018, 5:09 pm

thinkinginpictures wrote:
Under no circumstances can nazism be justified. Therefore, given any circumstances, all nazis are by definition evil.

That may be so but it doesn't have anything to do with why or how it happens.

13:30 forward might help a little:


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12 Mar 2018, 5:14 pm

your proposal on how to deal with nazism is self-explanatory on why nazism is so popular. it's quite common that people turn to angry discourse against people whom they disagree with.



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12 Mar 2018, 5:27 pm

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12 Mar 2018, 5:40 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
This is exactly the kind of thing that happens when people don't think critically.


Pssst!
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My best guess is that this is a baiting thread... ;)

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Physically exterminating all remaining Nazis at the end of World War 2 would have only turned them into martyrs to be venerated by the next generation of Nazis.

And those who did it would be just as bad as the people they murdered... :lmao:

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People become nazis because people are evil.
Evil people should be sorted out. We must clean the society from the nazis.

And replace them with more evil people... :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Sounds like your understanding of people is almost as impoverished as your understanding of naziism.


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12 Mar 2018, 5:53 pm

somebody said that "when the pot is set to boil, the scum rises to the top." things seem like they are getting to the point where a higher court will sort it all out.



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13 Mar 2018, 2:50 am

Hans Asperger had to swear loyalty to the Nazi party. Should he have been executed?


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