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24 Mar 2018, 3:51 pm

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May as well try to stop the Sun from rising.


That's what they said about the American Revolution.

That's what they said about slavery.

That's what they said about letting women vote.

Restoring populist democracy is just the next step in a long chain of information-fueled social progress.

This social progress is fueled by new information ... and we are currently at the beginning of the information age.

Mark my words, this is going to be one of the most important centuries in world history. In 2100, the world will be practically unrecognizable. Rapid technological growth is always followed by radical social change. That's a historical fact which always holds true in any epoch.

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IMO, the only thing that's going to end the American war machine is if America is defeated in a war, like defeated defeated big time on home soil and no longer has the military might it does to impose upon the world.


This will never happen because the American military is too powerful.

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The American war machine can only be dismantled from within by the American people.

That's why we have to keep talking to Americans. This can be annoying at times, but they are the only ones capable of saving the world from their own upper class.

As long as smart Americans like Noam Comsky and Bernie Sanders exist, there is still hope.

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Taxpayers complaining that they don't want to spend $700B+/year on war will only result in another 9/11 scale false flag to get everyone to fall in line and fund the war machine again. IMO.


9/11 wasn't a false flag or an inside job. It was revenge.

The conservatives will often try to simplify Osama Bin Laden's motivations. In reality, religion was certainly a factor motivating Bin Laden, but he was also motivated by a dislike of the US military and a dislike of economic globalisation.

That's why the hijackers targeted the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. They were targeting a symbol of economic globalisation and the US military headquarters. They didn't just pick a few buildings at random.

Imagine if 9/11 had been an inside job. Bush would have targeted a school or a children's hospital. That would have caused far more outrage.


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24 Mar 2018, 3:58 pm

I can only hope you're correct that the American people can dismantle your country's war machine.. but the USA has pretty much been at constant war for it's entire history. Forgive me for not seeing an end to that.

Yes, things will be very different in 2100. People will be trying to survive our Earth's rapidly changing climate & inhospitable temperatures. Wars will be fought over water and survival resources and the most inhabitable regions of land.

The USA spends the most money on war? So what? They also spend the most money per capita on healthcare and yet do not have the healthiest population. Another country could still overtake the USA despite their military. They could use better nuclear weapons and cyber attacks. David and Goliath and all that.

Umm, the World Trade Centre and surrounding towers were brought down by controlled demolition, not jet fuel. The only plausible explanation for denying this is called "cognitive dissonance," as there are still people like yourself who cannot cope with accepting the reality that your own government orchestrated 9/11 in order to rally American taxpayers behind the military industrial complex for it's invasion of another 7 countries.


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24 Mar 2018, 5:13 pm

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I can only hope you're correct that the American people can dismantle your country's war machine.. but the USA has pretty much been at constant war for it's entire history. Forgive me for not seeing an end to that.


No it hasn't. America has been though several periods of peace throughout its history. That's precisely why America didn't initially want to participate in WW2. Many Americans perceived America as a peace-loving country at the time.

Nearly every country has been through war at some point in the past.

Most Americans hate war. The problem is that American democracy has been heavily corrupted by weapon and oil companies, to the point where the well-intentioned American public don't know how to stop it.

Look at how much the Afro-American way of life has changed over the last 200 years. Anything is possible.

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Yes, things will be very different in 2100. People will be trying to survive our Earth's rapidly changing climate & inhospitable temperatures.


This process will end when social democracy succeeds in America. Most Americans respect the environment, but being green is hard when you live in a cutthroat economic system.

America will still have to deal with rising temperatures due to positive feedback loops, but the American government could save lives with a proper social safety net. For example, the oil companies could be heavily taxed to help the victims of extreme weather.

It will be harsh, but the world will be a bright new place once the smoke clears and the climate eventually re-stabilises.

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Wars will be fought over water and survival resources and the most inhabitable regions of land.


This will only happen if the wealthy continue to hoard resources during the time of troubles. I doubt that the masses would allow that.

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The USA spends the most money on war? So what? They also spend the most money per capita on healthcare and yet do not have the healthiest population.


The US military is designed to overthrow third world governments and install puppet dictators. It has to be powerful and efficient.

The American upper class has no real reason to care about the well-being of the American people, since they can just use third world countries as a source of cheap labor. This is the real reason why the American health care system isn't efficient. It isn't even designed to be.

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Another country could still overtake the USA despite their military. They could use better nuclear weapons and cyber attacks. David and Goliath and all that.


David and Goliath is just an old Middle Eastern folk tale.

Even if it did happen, it was an unlikely event. What were the chances of David hitting Goliath in the head?

Jews will argue that God directed the stone to Goliath's head ... but the enemies of the United States obviously don't have God on their side, because there is no god.

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Umm, the World Trade Centre and surrounding towers were brought down by controlled demolition, not jet fuel. The only plausible explanation for denying this is called "cognitive dissonance," as there are still people like yourself who cannot cope with accepting the reality that your own government orchestrated 9/11 in order to rally American taxpayers behind the military industrial complex for it's invasion of another 7 countries.


BS.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/9/11

I am well aware of the fact that the US government is capable of hideous evil. For example, the US government supported Suharto during the East Timor Genocide, which was far worse than 9/11.

Still, Bush didn't do 9/11.


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24 Mar 2018, 5:22 pm

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Trump was elected on an anti-intervention stance and he has stuck to that. He also cut off funding for terrorists in Syria. This is the real reason the establishment has been against him, nothing to do with sexism or Russia.


I will admit that Trump used some non-interventionist rhetoric on the campaign trail. This is probably the real reason why the establishment tried to get rid of him. Many ordinary Americans are concerned about Trump's bigotry, but the elites don't give a damn about stuff like that.

That being said, I don't think that Trump has succeeded at being a non-interventionist in practice. I don't think that his bombing in Syria had any justification.


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24 Mar 2018, 6:10 pm

This is pretty much what you believe if you believe the official version of 9/11. Does anyone know the story they think they believe?


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24 Mar 2018, 6:19 pm

The "truthers" are what turn any rational person off. All down to people like Alex Jones. They intentionally spread lies so it clouds the event and stops reality being known. It wasn't Bush. He was just the moron puppet that was dumb enough to believe the pre-planned lies about Iraq.

If you watch this you will understand it wasn't an old man in a cave on dialysis in Afghanistan.


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24 Mar 2018, 6:23 pm

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The "truthers" are what turn any rational person off. All down to people like Alex Jones. They intentionally spread lies so it clouds the event and stops reality being known. It wasn't Bush. He was just the moron puppet that was dumb enough to believe the pre-planned lies about Iraq.

If you watch this you will understand it wasn't an old man in a cave on dialysis in Afghanistan.



Osama Bin Laden obviously didn't carry out the attack, but he planned it in advance.

The attack was carried about by a bunch of Saudis.


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24 Mar 2018, 6:23 pm

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Trump was elected on an anti-intervention stance and he has stuck to that. He also cut off funding for terrorists in Syria. This is the real reason the establishment has been against him, nothing to do with sexism or Russia.


I will admit that Trump used some non-interventionist rhetoric on the campaign trail. This is probably the real reason why the establishment tried to get rid of him. Many ordinary Americans are concerned about Trump's bigotry, but the elites don't give a damn about stuff like that.

That being said, I don't think that Trump has succeeded at being a non-interventionist in practice. I don't think that his bombing in Syria had any justification.


His daughter took credit for that bombing last year. The US needs to get the hell out of the MIddle East.


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24 Mar 2018, 6:25 pm

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The "truthers" are what turn any rational person off. All down to people like Alex Jones. They intentionally spread lies so it clouds the event and stops reality being known. It wasn't Bush. He was just the moron puppet that was dumb enough to believe the pre-planned lies about Iraq.

If you watch this you will understand it wasn't an old man in a cave on dialysis in Afghanistan.



Osama Bin Laden obviously didn't carry out the attack, but he planned it in advance.

The attack was carried about by a bunch of Saudis.


Oh it was planned in advance alright, just not by Bin Laden. The plans are clear in the Project For The New American Century papers. Where they call for a "new Pearl Harbor" to give a pretext to attack numerous countries in the Middle East.


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24 Mar 2018, 6:39 pm

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His daughter took credit for that bombing last year. The US needs to get the hell out of the MIddle East.


Well ... American billionaires need to stop oppressing people all over the world.

I have nothing against the Americans who go overseas to join the Kurdish people. Unfortunately, the US military will likely never do that.


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24 Mar 2018, 6:40 pm

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Imagine if 9/11 had been an inside job. Bush would have targeted a school or a children's hospital. That would have caused far more outrage.


Maybe, but the outrage caused by an action by a member of a family that was business partners with the Bush family was enough to create a security state and to this day have military operations in a country after country many we do not know about.


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24 Mar 2018, 6:46 pm

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Oh it was planned in advance alright, just not by Bin Laden. The plans are clear in the Project For The New American Century papers. Where they call for a "new Pearl Harbor" to give a pretext to attack numerous countries in the Middle East.


Project for the New American Century does not include a plan for a "new Pearl Harbor". It says that a "new Pearl Harbor" would help the cause, but nothing in the Project for the New American Century plans a false flag.

They probably knew that the Middle East was furious at the US at the time, and so they saw no need to create a false flag.


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24 Mar 2018, 6:53 pm

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goldfish21 wrote:
I can only hope you're correct that the American people can dismantle your country's war machine.. but the USA has pretty much been at constant war for it's entire history. Forgive me for not seeing an end to that.


No it hasn't. America has been though several periods of peace throughout its history. That's precisely why America didn't initially want to participate in WW2. Many Americans perceived America as a peace-loving country at the time.

Nearly every country has been through war at some point in the past.

Most Americans hate war. The problem is that American democracy has been heavily corrupted by weapon and oil companies, to the point where the well-intentioned American public don't know how to stop it.

Look at how much the Afro-American way of life has changed over the last 200 years. Anything is possible.

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Yes, things will be very different in 2100. People will be trying to survive our Earth's rapidly changing climate & inhospitable temperatures.


This process will end when social democracy succeeds in America. Most Americans respect the environment, but being green is hard when you live in a cutthroat economic system.

America will still have to deal with rising temperatures due to positive feedback loops, but the American government could save lives with a proper social safety net. For example, the oil companies could be heavily taxed to help the victims of extreme weather.

It will be harsh, but the world will be a bright new place once the smoke clears and the climate eventually re-stabilises.

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Wars will be fought over water and survival resources and the most inhabitable regions of land.


This will only happen if the wealthy continue to hoard resources during the time of troubles. I doubt that the masses would allow that.

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The USA spends the most money on war? So what? They also spend the most money per capita on healthcare and yet do not have the healthiest population.


The US military is designed to overthrow third world governments and install puppet dictators. It has to be powerful and efficient.

The American upper class has no real reason to care about the well-being of the American people, since they can just use third world countries as a source of cheap labor. This is the real reason why the American health care system isn't efficient. It isn't even designed to be.

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Another country could still overtake the USA despite their military. They could use better nuclear weapons and cyber attacks. David and Goliath and all that.


David and Goliath is just an old Middle Eastern folk tale.

Even if it did happen, it was an unlikely event. What were the chances of David hitting Goliath in the head?

Jews will argue that God directed the stone to Goliath's head ... but the enemies of the United States obviously don't have God on their side, because there is no god.

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Umm, the World Trade Centre and surrounding towers were brought down by controlled demolition, not jet fuel. The only plausible explanation for denying this is called "cognitive dissonance," as there are still people like yourself who cannot cope with accepting the reality that your own government orchestrated 9/11 in order to rally American taxpayers behind the military industrial complex for it's invasion of another 7 countries.


BS.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/9/11

I am well aware of the fact that the US government is capable of hideous evil. For example, the US government supported Suharto during the East Timor Genocide, which was far worse than 9/11.

Still, Bush didn't do 9/11.


:lol: You really think taxing oil companies is going to create a sustainable climate?

It's going to be hundreds of years, if not thousands or hundreds of thousands of years, for the world to heal itself.

It's laughable that you think the masses aren't going to "allow," the wealthy to hoard resources. Newsflash: It's been happening forever & we currently have the greatest divides between rich and poor in capitalism's history. The rich will just kill off the poor, or have them kill each other, and then utilize the best of the best resources to ensure the survival of their bloodlines.


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25 Mar 2018, 2:16 am

Actually, I've heard plenty of criticism of Bolton's appointment by Bill Maher, Samantha Bee, and Trevor Noah on their comedy news shows.


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25 Mar 2018, 2:31 pm

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Oh it was planned in advance alright, just not by Bin Laden. The plans are clear in the Project For The New American Century papers. Where they call for a "new Pearl Harbor" to give a pretext to attack numerous countries in the Middle East.


Project for the New American Century does not include a plan for a "new Pearl Harbor". It says that a "new Pearl Harbor" would help the cause, but nothing in the Project for the New American Century plans a false flag.

They probably knew that the Middle East was furious at the US at the time, and so they saw no need to create a false flag.


Yeah, talking about a catastrophic event like a new Pearl Harbor which could lead to theit plans to attack numerous countries in the Middle East just a year before 9/11. Then loads of the PFTNAC members get into the Bush administration and then 9/11 happens. Their friend Douglas Feith helps them tie Iraq to Al Qaeda with his secret office and having secret meetings. But yeah, old man in a cave on dialysis makes more sense :roll:


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Actually, I've heard plenty of criticism of Bolton's appointment by Bill Maher, Samantha Bee, and Trevor Noah on their comedy news shows.


I was talking about this site. Those three idiots would criticise Trump if he saved a kitten from a tree.


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