Americans: Should this veteran have been deported?

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07 Apr 2018, 4:11 pm

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/26/us/a ... orted.html

The New York Times wrote:
Afghanistan War Veteran’s Deportation Is a ‘Shocking Betrayal,’ Senator Says

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Mr. Perez-Montes enlisted in the Army in 2001, before the Sept. 11 terror attacks. As a paratrooper and private first class in Afghanistan in 2002 and 2003, he began suffering from “severe” symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder, Senator Duckworth said. He was discharged in 2004.

Seven years later, in 2011, the Department of Veterans Affairs diagnosed him with PTSD related to his service, the senator said. “Without proper V.A. care, he self-medicated with drugs and alcohol to cope with his PTSD, which eventually resulted in his drug conviction,” she added, calling his deportation a “shocking betrayal.”
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Asked about Senator Duckworth’s letter, the Department of Homeland Security said Monday that its Citizenship and Immigration Services division had denied Mr. Perez-Montes’s request for naturalization on March 15 because of the felony conviction.

“After his two tours of duty with the special forces, he came back a broken man due to the horrors he witnessed in Afghanistan and the physical brain injury he suffered while there,” said Christopher Bergin, Mr. Perez-Montes’s lawyer.

He said Mr. Perez-Montes’s role was to repair vehicles in Kandahar, and that his brain injury occurred after a grenade went off near his vehicle.

Mr. Perez-Montes’s family was not alerted before he was deported, Mr. Bergin said.

“His family was never able to hand him some money and some clothes before they deported him in his prison clothes,” Mr. Bergin said. “He had nothing else.”

Mr. Perez-Montes lived in Mexico until he was 8, when he came to the United States on a petition through a family member. He was raised in Chicago and has been a permanent legal resident since age 11, according to a statement on Senator Duckworth’s website. He was never in the country illegally, Mr. Bergin said.

Mr. Bergin said that Mr. Perez-Montes, who has two children who are citizens, was afraid that if he returned to Mexico he would become a target of cartels that would try to recruit him because of his military experience, or kill him if he refused. Mr. Bergin said last week that he planned to appeal the denial of citizenship “as far up the court ladder as we must climb.”

Should he have been deported, even though he served in the military----or, are you of the mindset: "if you do the crime, you gotta do the time" ("the time" is being deported)?




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07 Apr 2018, 4:49 pm

If he was willing to die for the country he's American as far as I'm concerned. Deportation in this case no, but he did break a law and he needs to serve the sentence for that.



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07 Apr 2018, 4:50 pm

He served the United States well. It would be a miscarriage of justice to deport him.



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07 Apr 2018, 5:24 pm

Thought military service granted citizenship?



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07 Apr 2018, 5:32 pm

I don't see why any thread should be limited to Americans. Aren't we all just human beings?

What happened to this man was disgusting. When people take dangerous drugs, it is usually because they are poor. In this case, this poor man was suffering from PTSD.

Drug addiction should be treated as a sickness, not a crime.

Even if this guy wasn't a veteran, he would still deserve better treatment.

I hope this serves as a warning to any young Americans who are thinking of joining the military. The military will mess you up. You will demand honor when you return home, but your country will just leave you out in the cold and then spit on you.

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07 Apr 2018, 5:33 pm

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Thought military service granted citizenship?


The American upper class is not known for its honesty.


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07 Apr 2018, 5:47 pm

sly279 wrote:
Thought military service granted citizenship?

Nope. This isn't the first case of a U.S. veteran facing deportation.



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07 Apr 2018, 7:36 pm

This is the kind of thing that makes it embarrassing to be an American. He should have gotten treatment, and granted citizenship. We do not treat our veterans well and that is a real shame.


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07 Apr 2018, 7:42 pm

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This is the kind of thing that makes it embarrassing to be an American.


Don't be embarrassed.

The most popular politician in America right now is Bernie Sanders.

In other words, the American middle and lower classes aren't responsible for this mess. Your country has been hijacked by corporate oligarchs.


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07 Apr 2018, 8:00 pm

He served honorably, and got a purple heart for a brain damaging injury. He deserved citizenship before he committed his crime. Since the VA did not take care of him, he should be sentenced to probation and given treatment. The US govt needs to step up and do the right thing.


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07 Apr 2018, 9:07 pm

He’s already served his prison time. He was convicted in 2010. That’s the usual process for non-citizens: serve your sentence and then get deported.



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07 Apr 2018, 11:35 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Thought military service granted citizenship?


The American upper class is not known for its honesty.


Specifically the top elites (upper class starts in the $200k income). Also, not just the U.S, it's any country, some far worse than others.

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Personally, I think his service should have given him a waiver (of course, I'm ignorant in law, and I doubt there is one). I know there's people that have been given the choice to either serve time or serve in the military -- I knew such a man who was given the choice to go to prison or join the marines.


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08 Apr 2018, 5:47 am

sly279 wrote:
Thought military service granted citizenship?

I'm thinking you mean that one gets citizenship automatically for serving in the military? They don't. One of my best friends, when I was in, was a U.K. citizen, and a Canadian citizen, but NOT a U.S. citizen, and she had to go-through the same process as anyone else, to gain citizenship (and she did).




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08 Apr 2018, 5:00 pm

Nobody should ever be deported. We shouldn't have a concept of national borders.



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08 Apr 2018, 5:13 pm

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Nobody should ever be deported. We shouldn't have a concept of national borders.


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09 Apr 2018, 5:56 pm

I'm not saying the guy deserves "automatic citizenship," necessarily.

I'm saying he should be given consideration, and he shouldn't be deported.

It wouldn't be bad if he were given a green card/work permit.