Feminism Thoughts Thread`

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How will feminism continue to influence the future?
How will it influence men?
How will it influence women?
How will it influence the economy and social circles?
Will feminism wipe out all men?
Will feminism create true equality?

Feminism will never "wipe out all men."

Feminism could, possibly, create relative equality----but "full equality" is impossible.

My concern for "wipe out all men" comes from London's prince's new wife's roll as fighting for feminism, and considering her youthful age it would mean the "fight for feminism" is going to be a very very long one.
So I started questioning why would feminism require such a long-term investment?

Feminism will make men who are open to new thinking accept new thinking. For insecure and misygonistic men feminism will continue to provide a convenient excuse to continue thier poor thinking.

It depends how feminism is presented and defined. If as today it continues to be defined as equvilent to SJW women will disassociate from it and it will hurt women because men will be afraid to interact with them. If it goes back to second wave feminism women will make more contributions to society and be paid for it.

Economy and social circles see above.

Feminism will not wipe out men. Only the delusional of all sexes fear or are looking forward to something they are convinced is going to happen.

At best feminism can make things less unequal. True equality can never happen because humans are hardwired for hierarchy and there will always be bigots.

I love strong women. Equally important though is sending out empowering messages that men can be amazing fathers and that men showing their emotions is a strength. Views on women are improving, views on men can sometimes still be archaic.

I don't feel like I have hopes for feminism as it stands today. Over the past ~50 years of the movement, we have seen women advance, but a lot of men have started to be on the receiving end of oppression too. Why didn't it lift up the issues that men are still facing?

My sense is for some reason people found that women make greater labor than men. I am unsure whether this is because of the empowerment or because it's the truth. Depopulation is also a factor as talked about today.
This movement is very recent. Feminism has not existed ever since then

I think feminism is important for getting women equal rights, I mean that is what got equal rights for women in the U.S. In some places of the world women do not have as much freedom, and in those places I think feminism is especially important. However in the U.S specifically I think there are some sort of fringe feminists who promote some really toxic and nasty ideas...such as implying men could be eliminated and we'd function better as a society. Which in turn gives it a bad name, however I don't think that is what most feminists think...most just want equal rights regardless of sex. Even so even I tend to shy away from being a 'feminist' due to those negative thinkers who describe themselves as such but I do agree with the ideas of equal rights regardless of sex.

That is a summary of my thoughts about it. Also I think I should have the right to abortion and safe medical treatment for it....some people think I should not have that right, luckily I don't live in Iowa. I suspect feminists would agree that it is a womans choice and on a lesser level the doctor and partner but in the end it is her body. Until the embryo/fetus develops enough to survive on its own its still part of its host the mother. Basic biology, I am fine if some people disagree with it for religious reasons, they don't have to get an abortion.....but I don't follow their religion so why should I have tenants of it forced upon me? Its reasons like this that feminism remains important in my opinion.

I don't have the what I call "brain space" to ponder all of the OP's questions, right now----but, I WILL say this:

I totally agree that women should, for instance, get equal pay for equal work, and some other things (like equal consideration when buying a car, or something)----but, some feminists have gone WAAAAAY overboard, IMO, and, IMO, are now oppressing men, and I'm really SICK of it!! I mean, men, nowadays, don't know WHAT t'do (how they should talk / act-around women, for instance).

There are some women, for example, who seem to think that practically every other utterance from a man, is sexist, or misogynistic, or whatever. I think many of these women are just extremely insecure----maybe always looking for an excuse for their own failures----maybe even eternal "victims", in their mind----all-the-time wanting to say: "Oh, woe is me----I can't have----I can't do"----gimme a break, for Heavens' sake. I mean, if you wanna do something, DO it!! There will probably ALWAYS be someone telling one "no", or trying to stand in their way, or whatever----one can roll-over and forget that dream or goal, etc., or they can ignore others and give it their all, to achieve what they want!!

From my side of the Atlantic, I find American feminism quite peculiar.
Over here, in Germany, feminism is certainly too about equal pay for equal work, but it's much less about, say, female representation in the media.
And I think that's in part due to the state and social structures - here, women demand more money for child-leave, and more government subsidies for children. Very real things.
In the US, I have the impression these "socialist" things can't really be demanded - equality in the US means everyone being equal in competition for jobs etc. - but you just can't make a pregnant women equal to a man. Asking them to compete will not produce equality. So in the US, rather than demanding real things like government subsidies, the argument has moved to the level of representation... are there enough strong female characters in Blade Runner 2049 (technically, yes) - do they get equal screen time (no)...

over here, no one cares as long it's not overly and overtly sexist. and if it is, it'll just be ignored.

If a woman stands up for her rights at all, she's a feminist. I'm so sick of people constantly misusing the word. It wasn't that long ago that a man said "Nice women don't want to vote".

Just the other day I saw a pack of colored Bic pens "for her". Another needlessly gender-specific product. Apparently I'm too delicate and fragile to use with bold, dark colors, and of course I should only be drawing flowers and ponies.

But instead I draw whatever I want using whatever colors I want. Must be because I'm "not nice".

One issue I wish feminist movement would shine a bit more light on, is the static passive-pursuer dynamic in heterosexual dating culture. It plays into female objectification and rape culture.

This is at the root of many gender issues in our society, but this is an issue is at large ignored, unacknowledged or unrecognised.

Men are also objectified as providers, seeing as merely sources of money and materialistic provision.

I don't think anyone reasonable disagrees with this, I certainly don't, but the argument so far has been conducted at about the level of five year olds arguing on a playground. The Hollywood actress equal pay thing was a perfect example. What determines the level of pay an actor receives? It's certainly not work hours. How much does experience count for? Age? Box office receipts (never known in advance)? Do all male actors get paid the same? Certainly not. How would you go about measuring the fame (and therefore box office gravity) of an actor? Do we now start paying by the hour? Should every nameless extra get the same hourly rate as the stars?

I don't recall seeing much discussion of these things. It was just "Jennifer Lawrence should make as much as Tom Cruise beeeyaaatch omg aren't we women all so oppressed."

Despite all the very reasonable explanations offered for the disparity in most sectors of the economy, this generalised "average pay gap" corpse still lives on. It makes me think the true desire of paygappers is something along the lines of: "We don't care who made the pie or how, we want half" - but of course that would not be equal pay for equal work.

I highly agree with this

Women will never have equality with men until men want equality with women.