Koko the Gorilla has died.

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21 Jun 2018, 3:45 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD_J1iAxKoo

Bad, sad bad. Frown cry-frown sad.

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21 Jun 2018, 6:04 pm

She was an embassador to us all from the animal kingdom.

Noticed this other video nearby on U Tube.

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21 Jun 2018, 7:23 pm

naturalplastic wrote:

She was an embassador to us all from the animal kingdom.

Noticed this other video nearby on U Tube.

https://youtu.be/vs0fy0Rs8PM

Two Things:

1. Video embedding doesn't appear to be working on this site anymore, so I edited your post a little. I hope you don't mind.

2. I fail to see how one species of animal can represent the entire animal kingdom. Koko was a good counter-example to the archaic "ferocious gorilla" stereotype, but animals are different from one another.

Proving that a gorilla can use language only proves that a gorilla can use language. This is understandable, as gorillas are closely related to humans, but we shouldn't start making anthropomorphic generalisations regarding the entire animal kingdom just because of the behavior of a gorilla who was raised and trained to trust human beings.

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21 Jun 2018, 9:19 pm

RIP Koko.

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22 Jun 2018, 9:02 am

She's with All Ball now, for whom she grieved terribly, and with all her other beloved kitties who went before. One can believe that, whether one believes in souls, etc. or not.

(I first learned about All Ball when Koko and he, her first pet kitten, were on the cover of Nat Geo. I was 17. And never forgot it.)

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22 Jun 2018, 4:35 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD_J1iAxKoo

Bad, sad bad. Frown cry-frown sad.

I apologize for committing the crime of agreeing with your original post.

You are the one who got all sentimental and "anthropormorphic" on us by making the above original post.

I apologize for agreeing with your sentiment.

I will try to remember to avoid agreeing with you again since obviously your own opinions offend you so much.

The millions of species of the animal kingdom are a vast unexplored country. Koko the gorilla was just over the boundary line ( a member of a human like species, but not human). She enabled us to make pioneering strides in communicating with her one nonhuman species. A dramatic first step into the big unknown. Therefore, given our current lack of knowledge, she was the gateway to communicating the vast unknown of the rest of the animal kingdom. She was right the interface between us and the rest of the animal kingdom.

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22 Jun 2018, 4:42 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

naturalplastic wrote:

She was an embassador to us all from the animal kingdom.

Noticed this other video nearby on U Tube.

https://youtu.be/vs0fy0Rs8PM

Actually it is rather documented that many animals have more capacity for thinking/learning than they have been given credit for. Ravens and Octopi have both been shown to have the reasoning skills of younger children at least. Dolphins are documented to be another mammal aside from people that has sex for pleasure not just reproduction. Cats mostly meow to communicate with/talk to people and do different ones to mean different things so their human can understand them. There are even quite a few people that teach their deaf dogs sign language, so the dog can understand their commands.

I could keep going but....its hardly just primates raised in captivity like Koko that show abilities/thinking skills we typically associate more with humans.

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22 Jun 2018, 5:30 pm

:cry: :heart: :cry:

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22 Jun 2018, 8:09 pm

Gosh.

If I directly post vids from UTube no one but I myself can see them on WP now that WP is deteriorating, or something.

But at least you used to be able to post a LINK to a video alongside the video itself. But NOW even that doesn't work. Even I cant get the links to work even for my own computer. Oh well.

So if you cant get the vid I posted above it was about Koko the Gorilla befriending the late Robin Williams, and then years later Koko the Gorilla mourning Robin Williams, along with everyone else. Oh well.

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23 Jun 2018, 9:02 am

naturalplastic wrote:

It worked for me. Thank you for posting. It was a memorial to both.

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23 Jun 2018, 3:40 pm

This old Onion video just became eerily relevant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJkWS4t4l0k

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23 Jun 2018, 7:37 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

This old Onion video just became eerily relevant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJkWS4t4l0k

I laughed so hard that I ended up having a coughing fit! :lol:

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23 Jun 2018, 8:03 pm

Wish I knew about this gorilla earlier! Interesting how the ape knows so many words especially in sign language, and even more interesting how the gorilla was friends with one of the best actors of all time! Is there any other ape like koko?

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24 Jun 2018, 1:57 am

That is so sad to hear about koko, it was nice how she was gentle with the kittens.

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24 Jun 2018, 2:06 am

Xenoquineo wrote:

Koko was yet more evidence in favor of evolution.

For a long time, many people rejected evolution because they felt that human and apes were fundamentally different. The argument went something like this: "Humans are clean creatures that behave nobly and communicate using words. Apes are wild animals that have no nobility and no language!"

Koko's reaction to the death of All Ball demonstrates that gorillas have somewhat humanlike emotions. This is what we should expect, given that our ancestors only diverged from the ancestors of Koko 12.5 million years ago.

Koko also had a certain degree of intelligence, but her intelligence was rather primitive. She was capable of using simple words, but she had difficulty creating grammatically correct sentences. She was also a poor liar. One time, Koko tore a sink out of a wall in a fit of rage. When her keepers investigated, Koko said "Cat did it."

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Is there any other ape like koko?

Nim Chimpsky was a lot like Koko. Interestingly, he shared Koko's love of cats.

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24 Jun 2018, 5:30 am

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

This old Onion video just became eerily relevant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJkWS4t4l0k

This seems totally cruel. Did anyone else see it that way?

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