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Have you been to a Sears Roebuck store or online:
In the last 15 months? 20%  20%  [ 4 ]
In the last 6 months? 25%  25%  [ 5 ]
In the last month? 10%  10%  [ 2 ]
In he last 5 years? 25%  25%  [ 5 ]
In the last 10 years? 10%  10%  [ 2 ]
In the last 30 years? 5%  5%  [ 1 ]
I have never ever shopped at Sears. 5%  5%  [ 1 ]
WTF was Sears??????? 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 20

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18 Oct 2018, 4:40 am

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welcome to the present


So are all non-Wal-Mart brick ‘n’ mortar stores about to go belly up?


Many of them already have.

Montgomery Ward
Woolworth
Ben Franklin
Kresge

among hundreds of others.

see the wikipedia article:

List of defunct department stores of the United States


We shopped at Montgomery Ward all the time


Montgomery Ward
Woolworth
Kresge

Are stores I've never been in.

I've seen Ben Franklin, like the one in Monroe, but have never been in there either and thought it was a craft store like Michaels.

Most of my clothes are bought in smaller mall shops like Old Navy, H&M, Ameican Eagle etc.



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19 Oct 2018, 9:11 am

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I've seen Ben Franklin, like the one in Monroe, but have never been in there either and thought it was a craft store like Michaels.


Ben Franklin's 5 and dime was a good general store overall. The one I was familiar with as a kid had a good toy selection downstairs and almost everything else was on the main floor above. It had a large selection of hobby supplies that was rare in my rural area. Not too many stores had coin collecting books, US and foreign stamps, paper money books, toy trains, vintage model kits, etc. To buy that stuff somewhere else, you typically had to go to a large city 200+ miles away. I was very sad when it closed a decade ago. However, I did score some great deals when no one bought up the hobby supplies and I got the majority of the coin and stamp stuff at 90% off retail price. That was cheaper than the actual cost to make them, let alone what the company paid for them.



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20 Oct 2018, 6:17 pm

How Sears Helped Oppose Jim Crow - For black Southerners in 1900, shopping locally meant enduring indignities and implicit threats. Enter the catalog.

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Every time black Southerners went to a local store, they were forced to wait as white customers were served first. Serving white customers before black ones might seem a relatively small insult, but behind that racial ordering was an omnipresent threat of violence. Products in these stores reminded black shoppers that whites did not consider them deserving of human dignity: Grotesque caricatures of black faces were used as a “humorous” way to sell toothpaste, soap and nearly anything else; far more harrowing, with the rise of public “spectacle” lynching in the 1890s, black people could find the charred remains of lynching victims for sale alongside postcards commemorating the event.

Waiting for service was not mere discrimination. It was part of a larger world of white violence.

Then there was the matter of buying items on credit. Farmers, white and black, depended on credit to survive until the harvest. Credit came through small general stores, where the (white) shopkeeper would decide what you were allowed to buy. Black sharecroppers would often be in perpetual debt to a store, which was often owned by their landlord and employer. The credit price for goods, higher than the cash price, always managed to leave sharecroppers a little in the red even after they were paid for their crops. This debt system bound black farmers to the land in an almost feudal fashion. Adding insult to injury, black people were often even not allowed to purchase the same quality clothes as white people.

If you were a black Southerner in 1900, finding another way to shop would have been a godsend. Enter the Sears catalog.

The catalog, which was introduced around 1891, undid the power of the storekeeper, the landlord and, by extension, the racially marked consumerism of Jim Crow. All of a sudden, black families could buy whatever they wanted without asking permission. The Sears catalog, unlike the earlier Montgomery Ward catalog, also offered credit. With that credit, black farmers could buy the same overalls and hats as white people, and even the same guns (and farm equipment).

Prices were lower, too. Indeed, the catalog was so successful in part because it brought low prices to the countryside. And flipping through the catalog was like strolling through a department store in Chicago. For sharecroppers who had often never have left the county in which they were born, the catalog was a window into another, freer life.

Shopkeepers resisted this newfound freedom. They convinced their customers to burn the catalogs in public squares, and offered prizes for the most catalogs destroyed. Part of the resistance was economic, pushing back against the catalog’s threat to local businesses, but the racism of Jim Crow was also at work. In an attempt to discourage whites from using the catalog, shopkeepers told them that Sears was a black company, and that was why it sold by mail — to hide its black face.

Richard Sears and Alvah Roebuck, the company’s founders, published photos to “prove” they were white. They were not anti-racist crusaders. But in an important sense, it didn’t matter to black customers whether Sears itself was for or against Jim Crow. Simply by giving African-Americans equal access to consumer goods, the company doing something radical, even if it was profitable...



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20 Oct 2018, 6:22 pm

Why aren't more people depressed about the future of brick-and-mortar?



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20 Oct 2018, 6:46 pm

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Why aren't more people depressed about the future of brick-and-mortar?


Not sure. Forever 21 is thriving, but unless you’re a teenage girl, there’s nothing there for you.

Target is thriving, and is now paying a $15 minimum wage to all employees.

Walmart is thriving, but does not pay its employees enough and offers very few benefits, if any. Plus Wal-Mart is often associated with rednecks and “trashy” people—hence memes such as “Women of Wal-Mart”.


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20 Oct 2018, 9:49 pm

There's Kohl's department stores. I think that's the closest to Sears, but much better.



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20 Oct 2018, 10:16 pm

I like how they ...

-deliver groceries now
-load your fridge for you
-voice commands to add items to your grocery list
-track grocery list
-submit list to delivery service

It's like room service at a hotel.

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21 Oct 2018, 2:54 am

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Why aren't more people depressed about the future of brick-and-mortar?

Why would all the people who either abandoned brick and mortar or are growing up in today’s post brick and morter world be depressed about it?


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23 Oct 2018, 3:25 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
I like how they ...

-deliver groceries now
-load your fridge for you
-voice commands to add items to your grocery list
-track grocery list
-submit list to delivery service

It's like room service at a hotel.

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... Walmart does that? :?


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23 Oct 2018, 3:42 am

EzraS wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
thoughtbeast wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
Kiprobalhato wrote:
welcome to the present


So are all non-Wal-Mart brick ‘n’ mortar stores about to go belly up?


Many of them already have.

Montgomery Ward
Woolworth
Ben Franklin
Kresge

among hundreds of others.

see the wikipedia article:

List of defunct department stores of the United States


We shopped at Montgomery Ward all the time


Montgomery Ward
Woolworth
Kresge

Are stores I've never been in.

I've seen Ben Franklin, like the one in Monroe, but have never been in there either and thought it was a craft store like Michaels.

Most of my clothes are bought in smaller mall shops like Old Navy, H&M, Ameican Eagle etc.
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... Woolworth's closed in 1997, before you were born, so I'm not suprised! :lol: They were the archetype " I Found A Million Dollar Baby In A Five And Ten Cent Store (that old song) place. I remember one in White Plains, NY, that I went to a lot. They had bargain-bin LP records (old/unsuccessful/overstock new shrink-wrapped LPs sold cheap) for 50c! :D
I don't think I ever saw a Kresge's, I only found out about the precise relationshipbetween them and K-Mart recently.
Woolworth's had a more upscale subsidiary called Woolco for a while.
I don't think I was ever in a " Monkey Ward " (Montgomery Ward), either, I don't think they were in Westchester County, New York/-ish - where we also did not have K-Mart, ad a similar chain called Caldo :x r's had that corner of the market covered. There stores were less big than I think of K-Mart's as - the less space Northeast. :|


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23 Oct 2018, 8:24 am

Hollywood_Guy wrote:
Why aren't more people depressed about the future of brick-and-mortar?


They're still around in the small towns I've visited. They're even in the big town I live in. Lots of litteral brick shops that date back a 100 years or more. I've seen some business change hands, but few of them remain vacant very long.



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23 Oct 2018, 8:29 am

Amazon is much more convenient, and frequently deliver stuff in 1-2 days. You don't have to leave your home. I always hated the lines in department stores. And the crowds.

I like the old Sears Roebuck catalogues, too.



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23 Oct 2018, 8:34 am

When I need something from the store, it's because I need it NOW, not 2 or 3 days from now.

Besides, the last time I used an on-line store, something went wrong and I had to call in a lawyer to get it all sorted out.



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23 Oct 2018, 8:40 am

Department stores, for me, have always been a sensory nightmare.

I have bad memories of my mother dragging me through them, and slapping my hand, and insisting I stay right by her, stuff like that.

I prefer Amazon.



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23 Oct 2018, 10:05 am

I used to walk around the malls on the Vegas strip all the time. But I was always wearing shades and earphones. Being at a mall here is the one thing that makes me feel like I'm back in Vegas. That and the big Indian casino.



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23 Oct 2018, 8:39 pm

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I used to walk around the malls on the Vegas strip all the time. But I was always wearing shades and earphones. Being at a mall here is the one thing that makes me feel like I'm back in Vegas. That and the big Indian casino.




...What tribal casino is it?
BTW, the " Westchester K-Mart " I mentioned was called " Caldor's ". Caldors.


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My life destroyed by Thorazine and Mellaril - and rape - and the Psychiatric/Industrial Complex. SOB:-(! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!