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29 Oct 2018, 3:28 pm

You can read it here if you don't have a bible.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/revelation/1.html

I remind you, because most of us are autistic, that most people consider revelation very metaphorical and poetic; not all of it is meant to be taken literally.

This thread is to talk about any ideas relating to the second coming, not just revelation.

Most of the old testament prophesies go in three parts.
Coming of Jesus
Relevant information to the time it was written
And Revelation.

I'll start by talking about a related parable, rather than the book itself.

The Parable of the Weeds
24 Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25 But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26 When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.

27 “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’

28 “‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.

“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’

29 “‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’”


The weeds talked about are actually a type of weed that very closely resembles wheat until it blooms, that is something important to remember. No one can say for sure who will be wheat or who will be a weed, because they look the same. They grow up together, side by side, and anyone can surprise you.

The weeds refer to the followers of Satan, the wheat followers of Christ. People get to choose, in reality, which they are. By allowing the weeds and wheat to grow up together, it gives any looking like a weed the chance to bloom into wheat.

Though there is a deadline, he could of pulled them all up and sent them all into the fire, simply replanting with good seed but he did not. To give all a chance to prove themselves to be wheat.

The harvest will come, but every day it is delayed is another day of mercy.

Please do not post any rude comments.



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30 Oct 2018, 6:13 am

Wasn't really sure how to approach this one because, beyond desiring no rude comments, I get the impression you're also hoping for like-kind belief in the analysis.

My take on Revelations is largely preterist, ie. the 66-70 AD seige and sacking of Jerusalem. Enough people claim that it's also a personal initiatic text and that it deals with alchemical facets of each person's soul - thus it would be amillenial as well since it's always going on in someone somewhere but with that too it's tough to tell whether people are just glomming on to the 3's, 7's, and 12's, four faces of the cherubim, and extracting kabbalistic interpretation that may or may not have been intended.

I think some of the most interesting reading in that text was actually the gifts to the overcomers in the churches of Asia minor. White stones with permanent names, becoming permanent pillars in the temple, a lot of these clearly come from a very different way of thinking than what's entertained these days.

As far as apocalypses go I still find Zechariah one of the most interesting, not just from the type and style of its content but it's one of those where - when I was a practicing Catholic or even when I was attending nondenominational churches - I don't remember hearing much out of it. It's also one of the few places where they make a very direct reference to the seven Elohim.


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30 Oct 2018, 2:07 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzTHC6JSUvM

Interpretations of Revelation As that Applies to
Prophecy and the so-called "Coming in Glory to
Judge the Living and the Dead and Casting the 'Sinners'
into an Eternal Lake of Torture in Hell Fire Forevermore";
This is like the "Best Revenge Story" ever Against those who
Do not Follow Rules Set in Stone Versus what Carl Sagan Related through
His Book about 'Contact' and how that was Related in the Movie 'Contact";
Where Jodie Foster Meets an Ultimate Sage of the Ages on Pensacola Beach; no Less
as Paradise otherwise known, felt, and sensed as the Kingdom of Heaven within now
always in this Generation at hand now, just now; as that Movie Related that Metaphor
Very Well for "This Rather Tall Man" who came to visit as a 'Father' on the Paradise of Pensacola
Beach; and even though He was a Holographic Simulation; the Empathy, Sympathy, Compassion,
And by God Even Cognitive Empathy; For Even though 'This Wasn't His Home', He Understood Humans
Are Capable of Bringing to Fruition Great Dreams as Well as Terrible Nightmares too; as yes, Humans continue
to do; as that doesn't take anymore than the 24-7 News Cycle to see these days too. I'll leave a Move Clip Above
For that as this Holographic Simulation of what one Might See as A Good Cop Version of A Jesus in the New Testament
Along With A Philosophy That A Kingdom of Heaven is Within in This Generation Always Now as 'Heaven' is verily surely
well related'
ironically
so
In
Carl
Sagan's Movie as
one removed from
'Organized Religions';
but Really for Those Who
Do Understand the Metaphors of
the Bible Ranging from the Old Testament,
Isaiah 53 Chapter that supposedly Forecasts
the Jesus of the New Testament Still; And Please
Note in the Old Testament 'This' is represented As A Human
And Basically Any Archetype of A Hero coming out of Dark Now
in Rejection from Humanity; and Returning to 'the Tribe' to attempt
to Provide a better Way of Life Benefiting the Tribe as Whole for it is True
A Whole Jesus Version For A Good Cop Version at least is All About All You/Us/We/me
Need to Do is Give and Share Love Freely And Unconditionally as in Human Altruism
A Servant of all with Empathy, Sympathy,
Compassion; and Yes Cognitive Empathy too,
Understanding That Humans have Very Different
Multi-Uni-Verse Views becomes what even Chimpanzees
Recognize as the Greatest Leaders in Alpha Male and or Female
Way of Being; yes, as Science Shows that Alpha Males are Appreciated
for their Empathy for others more than any other Quality, including Size and Strength;
As Frans de Waal, A Main 'Founding Father' of the Entire Alpha Male Concept studied it
This Way in the Wild as a Scientist as opposed to the Gaslit Version of an Alpha Male who
is Cruel to others as Popularized in Modern Pop Culture. In other Words, Trump as an Example
is just about as Far away from Frans de Waal's Version of an Alpha Male as one Can and Will Be Devoid of Empathy
as Love; Now, as Far as Scholarly Biblical Study of the Book of Revelation Currently included as the Last Book of
the Bible; there was much Controversy as to whether it even belonged in the Bible when those in Charge
Related to the Roman Catholic Church determined what would stay and what would go; And of course
'According to John' may be just be a Pen Name of A 'Ghost Writer'; And Potentially not the Same
'Ghost Writer' who took upon the 'Famous Pen Name' of John as that Relates to a 'John the
Baptist' as actual Story Booked Apostle who lived well Before the 'Ghost Writer' John
per, According to Whoever that Author was. I Attend Catholic Church without
Missing a Weekend as i see the Value of Folks getting together as Social
Animals and Altruistically Helping each other out as a Group as 'They' Commonly
Do in all Churches that Socially Cooperate Within the Group Unit of the Church Now.
And it is also a bit impressive that the Monsignor of the Catholic Church has enough Scholarly
Bible Study Under His Robe where He realizes that this Story was a Dream/Vision someone had
during the Persecution of the Christians by Nero under Roman Empire Rule as those Folks did want
Freedom and Revenge against their Oppressors too as many folks do, these days still. True, Folks come
up with Odd Conspiracy Theories and other Notions still today, as it's not Hard to Find evidence for that
at all for Folks who Feel like they are Oppressed Also Develop a way to go against the So-Called Oppressors
Still now; so, in other Words Revelation is a bit Quite Like any Run of the Mill YouTube Site coming up with
Some 'Wild Idea' that Folks Bond over to get back at who they are mad at still. An Only Difference is; back
in 'Those Days' there wasn't more than one Channel in the Old Version of YouTube a Couple of Thousand
Years ago; as it's also True in some Muslim Countries where a Dude decided to re-arrange the
Revelation Story to Suit his Political Purposes too; those folks are forced to listen
to just 'One YouTube Station' all about A Version of God and a Last Prophet
Dude where you also get warned about not adding anything to that
'Perfect Book' too; True; Even Aleister Crowley did that
in His Golden Rule of Love is the Law in his
"Book Of The Law" too, as Hey the way to vault
Any Word or Words into Sacred is to make all the other
Ideas folks come up with as Profane; instead, of potentially
Even More Sacred and Holy, Full of Meaning and Purpose that
Sets folks Free in a Version of Truth in Light that Works Better For 'Them'.
And Basically that is what ''A Prophet" is one who is Pagan in the Sense of
How That Term Developed As A Non-Believer of the Tradition at Hand no matter
what it is that folks bond over in Agreement now. Anyway, As An Individual Who
Will Easily Move 'tween INTJ and ENFP Ways of Seeing the World; let's Just Imagine
Jesus coming Back today in Glory to Judge the Living and The Dead; According to what
He Actually Taught in the New Testament About Turning the Other Cheek and Loving Your
Enemy same as Your Neighbor; and the Rich Don't Get to Go to Heaven; And for Those Who
Do Not Care For the Least Among us as Oppressed; Jesus will not even know them on Judgement
Day now for sure; Just for Practice, Let's Consider Judgement Day aLWays Now For Anyone who Veers
From the eye of A Needle As A Camel Who Feasts On Any Meal but Fearless And Unconditional Love
for the Fact is
my Friend
the Karma
is Already
Cooked in the
Human Story and
Flesh And Blood As Real now;
Either We Live As Love Incarnate
As Evolving to Be A Best We Can And Will
Be As Servant For All Others As Love or We
go
Straight
to Hell Now
And suffer In A
Lake oF Fire oF Our Own
Making And Co-Creating
In A World Created Within
With Others Bonding Over
A Dark Force oF Fear and Hate
Within That Just Generates More
Misery and Suffering in the Gnashing
of Teeth in a Real Gehenna Dump within
of Hell but the Good News is; is We Are Human
And Not Just A Story In A Book; We Do have Relative
Free Will to Lift Ourselves Out of Hell oF Fear and Hate
in Misery Loves Suffering Up inTo A Place of Hope and
Love Fearless wHere Joy Loves Company Eternally Now Within
As A Kingdom of Heaven With Others Now too iN A Joyous Dance
And Song With A GOD OF LOVE That Becomes Us iNcarNate too
As True In Many
Ways even
Chimpanzees
And Bonobos
are born on
Date
to Do this
Love Now; And Hell
iF A MonKey WiLL Do Heaven's
Love 'This Monkey' Will Just Do It too;
Yes, Obviously Religion, Politics, Philosophy,
Anthropology, Psychology, Sociology, Health
And Well Being, Mysticism And So Many 'Others'
are Just A 'Few' of my Special Interests now; but long ago
in one of my Three College Degrees in Anthropology; 'they' taught
Us A Best Way to Learn About Human is become a Participant Anthropology
Observer and in this way of Dancing Like 'David' in Bringing Myths to Reality
And doing Greater John 14:12 Efforts than Jesus As I just Wrote a 6 Million Word
Plus Longest Long Form Poem Free Verse Bible in the History of Humankind and I
have Danced 10,140 Miles in 62 Months, in yes, too; Public Everywhere i Go, In Somewhat
of a Free Style Version of Martial Arts Mixed with Ballet in a Red State Trump Location,
Location, Location Place of 80 Plus Percent in Support of 'the Orange Man' now; who
'thinks' he is an Alpha
Male; But he Is JusT
Another
Empty
'Rich'
Soul; Yes, a Camel
who is about as far
away from even seeing
'That Eye oF A Needle' as
A Human Can And Will Possibly Be.
Thing is my Friend; the Moral of the
Entire Jesus Story IS THere IS ALWays Hope
For Love For "This Shepherd of Fire" has already
Been to Hell; And Hell IS A Place WHere Enemies
And Friends Have A Same Worth oF LovE When one IS Dead iNside.
When 'You' Get out; All You Do Is Do YouR Best So No One Has to Go But You Again.
Yes, My Friend; it is much
Easier to Worship A
Legend
Than
to Become
A Real Legend
As A Servant of LoVE NoW;
The Law You Do Is Love;
The Grade You Get Is Love;
And The Currency You Give And Share
Now is Love with never the expectation
of a Return of Love But What one Gives
And Shares Now as Love for the Reward
Is All Intrinsic in the Feel and Sense of Agape Love Within For Real;
Yes, the 'Autotelic Way of Being; The Flow Ascending Transcending
Always NoW iN "Transient Hypo-Frontality", Boosting Human Creativity
by Four to Five Hundred Percent as Even Science is able to Measure some of
What Heaven Is Within And What Heaven Can And Will Do So Much Greater Now in
Human Laser Focus in much Greater Ways of Cognitive Executive Functioning with
Human
Potential
In Mind/
Body Now
iN BaLanCE
Firing Like
A Well Tuned
12 Cylinder Human Ferrari
On A Foundation of Grace
As Balance With Instead Of
Against Gravity as Whole in all
The Ways Metaphors Come in Ways
From: Inertia to: Walking On Water Now
As Terrestrial Earth As Love Rises Higher
As Agape; And Strength Of Will in Relative
WaY iN An All Greater Affect of Effect More too;
Now, Let's 'See' Who is Up to 'This Challenge' Now;
Thing IS A Person Might Seek Heaven Eternally Now
In Life After Death And Never Ever Receive IT At All NoW;
Sure; there are plenty of Parables Left in even what is
Currently Revised of an Old New Testament Now That
Relates this Clearly Still in Metaphor Now;
For it's
True
Love
is Give
And Not Receive.
God Is A God of Merit; not one 'who' Hands
Out 'Welfare Tickets' to Heaven in a Dirt Nap
For Folks Who simply Recite Empty Shells of Words
Away From An Essence of Love to Give and Share more.
I didn't have to go to School to Learn
that; And i Didn't even have to wear the
Shoes of Good Cop Jesus; all i had to do was
be Born of Love by a Mother and Gardened to
Incarnate Love
then and
by
God
as
Nature
Then
Still
Now
Get
Reborn
out of Hell
Within Back to Love Within
Back Again; yes, incarnate as such, Still now.
The Connections of Love Is All That Makes Life
Worth Living as Love
And
Heaven
For Real Now.
It's Easy to Understand
Why Some Folks Cannot And
Will Not See This Simple Truth of Love;
For 'They'
Have
Yet
to Arrive
NoW iN the Kingdom
oF Love That Is US For ReaL NoW.
Anyway; thanks for the 'Revelation Prompt'; Makes Good Source
Material for A Continuing 6 Million Word Bible Poem now that/who
Excludes nothing
nothing
aT
ALL(GOD)NOW;
And yes, considering the
'Content' of 'Revelation'
Worthy it is
For
Hallowen
but not so much
For ALL SAINTS
DAY AND ALL SOULS DAY NOW.

"New King James Version: Old Testament, Isaiah 53

53 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.[b]
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes[c] his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life[d] and be satisfied[e];
by his knowledge[f] my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[g]
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[h]
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors."

"The Final Judgment" The New Testament Revelation 20:11 through 21:15:

"11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

Carl Sagan Quotes:

“The cosmos is within us. We are made of star-stuff. We are a way for the universe to know itself.”

"A religion old or new, that stressed the magnificence of the universe as revealed by modern science, might be able to draw forth reserves of reverence and awe hardly tapped by the conventional faiths. Sooner or later, such a religion will emerge."

“Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.”

“It's hard to kill a creature once it lets you see its consciousness.”

And to be Clear; i Go Places That Carl Sagan Never
Imagined With His Science 'Ruler' and 'Religion' alone.
And true, unlike Carl; i don't need any External Substances
to 'try to get to my Version of Heaven at all; A Dance and Song in
Practice
Forevermore
now is enough
to Ascend And
Transcend
me Fully
into
and as
God's Loving Arms Now;
Otherwise KNown, Felt, Sensed as me too.
Might Be A Mother; Might Be a Wife;
And Any Friend too; As Love Real too;
Yes; Will Be me too as JusT A Man i Am too.
And In Other Words, this is all just my opinion, too.
Heaven/God/Other Varies According to Model and Make
of Human Vehicle/Vessel/Housing of Love; And that/this reminds
me; gotta
go get
the
Oil
Changed
in my Honda
Civic as sure
i Make That/This A Ferrari too;
JusT 'Cause i Can And Will With/As LoVENoW, too..;)


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